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.410 cartridge help

Post by Chappo » 06 Dec 2018, 6:02 pm

Hey.
I’m gunna help a mate on the weekend with the sparrows and starlings on the trees in a commercial orchard.
The whole idea is to scare them off rather than actually kill them but I’d still like to know what cartridge choices are best suited for small birds.
The rifle is a single shot 410.
I have never had much to do with shotties for hunting so any tips would be great.
Cheers......
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Post by bladeracer » 06 Dec 2018, 6:08 pm

Chappo wrote:Hey.
I’m gunna help a mate on the weekend with the sparrows and starlings on the trees in a commercial orchard.
The whole idea is to scare them off rather than actually kill them but I’d still like to know what cartridge choices are best suited for small birds.
The rifle is a single shot 410.
I have never had much to do with shotties for hunting so any tips would be great.
Cheers......


You probably shouldn't be shooting at them if you aren't trying to kill them, scaring them off with pellet injuries is not a good idea.
Try blanks if you only want to scare them?
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Post by Chappo » 06 Dec 2018, 6:13 pm

Gas cannons are already used but they find the combination of those and morning shotgun raids more effective.
The idea is mainly to scare them but when opportunities for clean kills present them self I would like to be using the cartridge best suited.
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Post by Chappo » 06 Dec 2018, 6:16 pm

Gas cannons are already used but they find the combination of those and morning shotgun raids more effective.
The idea is mainly to scare them but when opportunities for clean kills present them self I would like to be using the cartridge best suited.
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Post by duncan61 » 06 Dec 2018, 6:30 pm

7 shot in a .410 would knock them down out to about 50 metres.A girlfriend/victim I had pulled a mountain duck out the sky with my .410 using 4 shot
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Post by bigpete » 06 Dec 2018, 7:19 pm

Of course....
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Post by Stix » 06 Dec 2018, 7:39 pm

Just sparrows & starlings 9 or 7 shot...4 shot for ducks n bunnies.

As for the 7-9 shot, they are pretty small birds so keep within effective range (& your ability)...they are pretty fast flyers & quick agile movers so i personally wouldnt be tryin to hit them out at 50 yds...thats a long way for a tiny ball trying to hit a fast tiny bird & not that ive patterened one out that far, but id imagine there will be some pretty big gaps in the small shot pattern out there not to mention he little lead ball has probably lost the bulk of its sting...&--like blade eluded to that could be potential to wound them...

Use 3" shells if you can get em... :thumbsup:
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Post by Chappo » 06 Dec 2018, 8:16 pm

Got it.
2 1/2 to 3 inch shells with 7-9 shot out to 20 to 30 yds.
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Post by duncan61 » 06 Dec 2018, 8:27 pm

Could you put up a bit of heavy cardboard at 50 metres and see how the pattern is and how hard they hit.It could be maximum.I am curious myself and I do not have a .410 right now
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Post by Chappo » 06 Dec 2018, 8:47 pm

I’d be interested to test some patterns too.
I’ll do that this w’end dunc and get back to you.
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Post by duncan61 » 06 Dec 2018, 9:01 pm

thanks Chappo be interesting to see if 4s go through
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Post by bigpete » 06 Dec 2018, 9:07 pm

I've patterned 410.
At 20m with 3" size 6 shot out of a full choke barrel theres plenty of holes.
35m was absolute max range I could reliably kill sitting starlings. For what it's worth.
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Post by Diamond Jim » 12 Dec 2018, 1:49 am

Birds that size are not hard to kill, just hard to hit. Go smaller with the shot size - 9 or so - to fill in the gaps in the pattern. Test the gun to see where it's shooting as suggested by others. Keep your range realistic - 25 to 35 m at most. Discourage them enthusiastically - we definitely don't want them in WA
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Post by Chappo » 21 Dec 2018, 6:40 pm

duncan61 wrote:Could you put up a bit of heavy cardboard at 50 metres and see how the pattern is and how hard they hit.It could be maximum.I am curious myself and I do not have a .410 right now


Not really well basically!!

Tested 2.5 inch #4’s and 3 inch #7.5s
Both did a great job on the birds at 20m with the #7.5’s the better choice but neither would be any good at 50m

Set up some cardboard and tested at 30, 40 and 50.
I’d use the #4’s to 25m but the #7.5’s in the 3 inch shell did well up to 40m

Only about half the #4’s made it through the cardboard at 50m. The #7.5’s still had plenty of sting but a started to get a bit too gappy

Rifle was a Lithgow (slazenger) converted smle. No choke

I did have photos of the cardboard and various feathered friends but lost them somehow.
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Post by Daddybang » 21 Dec 2018, 6:58 pm

Hey guys just a quick heads up for those that don't know(obviously this particular shottie is) but not all 410's take a three inch shell!! Make sure before you buy/shoot :lol: :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by Daddybang » 21 Dec 2018, 7:00 pm

Hey guys just a quick heads up for those that don't know(obviously this particular shottie is) but not all 410's take a three inch shell!! Make sure before you buy/shoot :lol: :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by bigpete » 21 Dec 2018, 8:40 pm

Chappo wrote:
duncan61 wrote:Could you put up a bit of heavy cardboard at 50 metres and see how the pattern is and how hard they hit.It could be maximum.I am curious myself and I do not have a .410 right now


Not really well basically!!

Tested 2.5 inch #4’s and 3 inch #7.5s
Both did a great job on the birds at 20m with the #7.5’s the better choice but neither would be any good at 50m

Set up some cardboard and tested at 30, 40 and 50.
I’d use the #4’s to 25m but the #7.5’s in the 3 inch shell did well up to 40m

Only about half the #4’s made it through the cardboard at 50m. The #7.5’s still had plenty of sting but a started to get a bit too gappy

Rifle was a Lithgow (slazenger) converted smle. No choke

I did have photos of the cardboard and various feathered friends but lost them somehow.


Not surprising really. Even with a full choke they're not a 50m gun ( I don't even consider a 12g that good past 40m )
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