Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bladeracer » 09 Jan 2019, 6:17 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Predator? Right!!!! It was thecrobot from Paul...geeez.

Have you thought about reduced loads for clays? My kids use lowest recoil and love it.


What the hell is Paul :-)

I have certainly thought about it, I even bought a Lee Load-All :-)

But I have no idea about loading shotshells, so I need to do some learnin' :-)

There was a thread on Facebook today about loading shotshells, loaded with the old "You have to follow the recipes exactly!" comments galore. Have these people not seen Taofledermaus or Demolition Ranch? It seems to me you can stick whatever you like in a shotshell, batteries, torches, lighters, other shotshells, nails, anything that'll fit down the tube :-)

I normally shoot one-ounce, 1300fps field loads of 7-1/2's, or I swap in a 7/8-ounce slug, or 50 BB's. These loads are definitely more than my shoulder can handle for more than a handful of shots

I should try something like 3/4-ounce loads around 1000fps and see how they feel. I know that different powders, and even different bullet designs can have noticeable recoil effects, and I've read that wads play an even bigger role in shotshells. Is there a specific wad that I should buy perhaps, made for the elderly and decrepit?

I've also got some .45-cal wads en-route to experiment with .44 Mag shotshells for a giggle.

I got a message yesterday from a guy selling some milsurps locally, so I need to investigate that before I can do much with the shotgun I think.
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bladeracer » 09 Jan 2019, 6:26 pm

Goose#24 wrote:Nice work mate! I have one also and I love mine! Easy to work the bolt with speed and what I would say low recoil, Can shoot it all day no problems! Hope you enjoy and happy shooting!


Low recoil you say? That is interesting.
As for speed, damage to my right hand/arm/shoulder makes it difficult to raise my hand much above eye level, and the higher I lift it the weaker it is. Reaching forward increases the load on my shoulder, making that difficult as well, and tends to force my arm downwards to compensate. It also makes left-handed shooting a bit difficult. My hand is supported if I'm holding the fore end and lift the gun to my shoulder, but when I then cycle the bolt it's a stretch getting my hand back out to the fore end. If I can get the hang of shooting it left-handed I should be able to adapt the bolt handle to the left side pretty easily. I've had a bit of practice with it (even left-handed as suggested!), and I think I'll be able to make it work, but a very easy assist might just be a lanyard from my wrist to the bolt handle.

I noticed that practicing left-handed I seem to have a tendency to flex both index fingers when pulling the trigger left-handed, very odd. Maybe they're connected :-)
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by Goose#24 » 09 Jan 2019, 6:46 pm

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Goose#24 wrote:Nice work mate! I have one also and I love mine! Easy to work the bolt with speed and what I would say low recoil, Can shoot it all day no problems! Hope you enjoy and happy shooting!


Low recoil you say? That is interesting.
As for speed, damage to my right hand/arm/shoulder makes it difficult to raise my hand much above eye level, and the higher I lift it the weaker it is. Reaching forward increases the load on my shoulder, making that difficult as well, and tends to force my arm downwards to compensate. It also makes left-handed shooting a bit difficult. My hand is supported if I'm holding the fore end and lift the gun to my shoulder, but when I then cycle the bolt it's a stretch getting my hand back out to the fore end. If I ca et the hang of shooting it left-handed I should be able to adapt the bolt handle to the left side pretty easily. I've had a bit of practice with it (even left-handed as suggested!), and I think I'll be able to make it work, but a very easy assist might just be a lanyard from my wrist to the bolt handle.

I noticed that practicing left-handed I seem to have a tendency to flex both index fingers when pulling the trigger left-handed, very odd. Maybe they're connected :-)


Ahh I see, sorry to hear mate! Look honestly i find the recoil to be low, I use Winchester super X ammo in a shot size of either 2 or bb which I think from memory are a 36gm and 1315fps and I dont think they kick hard at all. Could shoot all day no problem, but if you have a bad shoulder then you may feel it a bit more! But honestly I'm very happy with mine and seem to enjoy shooting it more than a double.
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bladeracer » 09 Jan 2019, 6:57 pm

Goose#24 wrote:Ahh I see, sorry to hear mate! Look honestly i find the recoil to be low, I use Winchester super X ammo in a shot size of either 2 or bb which I think from memory are a 36gm and 1315fps and I dont think they kick hard at all. Could shoot all day no problem, but if you have a bad shoulder then you may feel it a bit more! But honestly I'm very happy with mine and seem to enjoy shooting it more than a double.


No worries :-)
I'm not finding any bad stuff about them so it sounds like I got a nice gun.
Giving it a clean now.
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bigpete » 09 Jan 2019, 8:58 pm

44 mag shotshells are easy. 2.1cc scoop of trailboss, card,top up with shot,card.

Even better is using 303 cases ....
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by TassieTiger » 09 Jan 2019, 10:07 pm

Stuff the 1300 FPS - check out the Olympic 1180’s in 7 1/2.
I’d categorise them similar in recoil to a 243 but that still might be a lot depending on your accident damage.
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by Bent Arrow » 10 Jan 2019, 6:21 am

TassieTiger wrote:Stuff the 1300 FPS - check out the Olympic 1180’s in 7 1/2.
I’d categorise them similar in recoil to a 243 but that still might be a lot depending on your accident damage.


If you want low recoil factory, the winchester 980's are the softest I have found in the search for low recoil loads.
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bladeracer » 10 Jan 2019, 12:10 pm

bigpete wrote:44 mag shotshells are easy. 2.1cc scoop of trailboss, card,top up with shot,card.

Even better is using 303 cases ....


I was thinking of using .303 brass actually :-)
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bladeracer » 10 Jan 2019, 12:14 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Stuff the 1300 FPS - check out the Olympic 1180’s in 7 1/2.
I’d categorise them similar in recoil to a 243 but that still might be a lot depending on your accident damage.


Does 120fps really make a significant difference in felt recoil? Or is this a "low recoil" load?

.243, 6.5mm's, 7mm-08, .303 are all fine, .30-06 and 8x57mm are heavier but tolerable, 7.62x54R is a mongrel though :-)
12ga. is definitely the hardest on my shoulder by a good margin.

I picked up an air-rifle yesterday, bit concerned about my shoulder coping with the heavier .177" pellets at almost 1000fps!
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bladeracer » 10 Jan 2019, 2:17 pm

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TassieTiger wrote:Stuff the 1300 FPS - check out the Olympic 1180’s in 7 1/2.
I’d categorise them similar in recoil to a 243 but that still might be a lot depending on your accident damage.


If you want low recoil factory, the winchester 980's are the softest I have found in the search for low recoil loads.


I'll try to get a box of those and try them myself.
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bigpete » 10 Jan 2019, 2:47 pm

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bigpete wrote:44 mag shotshells are easy. 2.1cc scoop of trailboss, card,top up with shot,card.

Even better is using 303 cases ....


I was thinking of using .303 brass actually :-)

Just cut em off at the shoulder,gives you extra case capacity.
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bladeracer » 10 Jan 2019, 4:14 pm

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bladeracer wrote:
bigpete wrote:44 mag shotshells are easy. 2.1cc scoop of trailboss, card,top up with shot,card.

Even better is using 303 cases ....


I was thinking of using .303 brass actually :-)

Just cut em off at the shoulder,gives you extra case capacity.


They'd be very long, do they still chamber in .44 Mag okay? I could possibly single-load them but they'd have to be cut down to run through the tube.
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bigpete » 10 Jan 2019, 5:41 pm

They wont feed through a tube anyway,at least mine wouldn't.
Yes they are long enough that the end goes inside the barrel,doesnt matter though
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bladeracer » 10 Jan 2019, 6:52 pm

bigpete wrote:They wont feed through a tube anyway,at least mine wouldn't.
Yes they are long enough that the end goes inside the barrel,doesnt matter though


I get you now, they go out into the rifling?
They extract okay?
Then just re-size in the .303 die and repeat.
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bigpete » 10 Jan 2019, 7:27 pm

Don't bother resizing.
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Post by bladeracer » 10 Jan 2019, 7:46 pm

bigpete wrote:Don't bother resizing.


Really? The case doesn't blow out into the rifling?
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Re: Dickinson T1000 Synthetic

Post by bigpete » 10 Jan 2019, 7:47 pm

Yes,but so what ?
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Post by bladeracer » 10 Jan 2019, 7:50 pm

bigpete wrote:Yes,but so what ?


Okay, but they still chamber fine without sizing or being scratched by the rifling? What model of .44 are you chambering them in?
I can see I'll have to just cut some brass and find out for myself :-)
Which means I'll have to shoot some .303 as I just turned all my empties into 6.5x54R.
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