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20” vs 28” 12g barrels - ADLER

Post by TassieTiger » 30 Apr 2019, 5:16 pm

So, in the market for an Adler or equivalent multi shot 12g.
I already have an ata u/o 28 inch clay / field shotty but looking for some fast follow up shots - and a bit of an all rounder...rabbits, wallaby, duck, clays, fun.
Just wondering how much difference is there between the 20” and 28” barrels?
Is recoil significantly more with short barrel?
Is the Balance affected with short barrel?

What is the spread difference between short / long barrels - obviously the short barrel is going to spread faster but is it unusable past 50metres as a result?
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Post by bladeracer » 30 Apr 2019, 5:41 pm

TassieTiger wrote:So, in the market for an Adler or equivalent multi shot 12g.
I already have an ata u/o 28 inch clay / field shotty but looking for some fast follow up shots - and a bit of an all rounder...rabbits, wallaby, duck, clays, fun.
Just wondering how much difference is there between the 20” and 28” barrels?
Is recoil significantly more with short barrel?
Is the Balance affected with short barrel?

What is the spread difference between short / long barrels - obviously the short barrel is going to spread faster but is it unusable past 50metres as a result?


50m is a hell of a long shot on birds or rabbits, especially with a short barrel.
I took lots and lots of birds with a 20" pump, but only when they were flying directly over me near the deck. Huge swarms of galahs and starlings. They'd hug the ground but pop up over the fence lines so that's where I'd wait for them and hit them head-on or side-on with eight round bursts. I rarely, if ever used a gun on rabbits or birds sitting, rifles just do the job so much more effectively.
I don't recall ever shooting clay with it, but I would certainly think longer tubes would be more effective for that.
I want to get the 20" barrel for my 28" Dickinson as the gun is pretty unwieldy compared to my double 30". Barrel swaps are as quick as with a double, just a big nut on the end of the mag tube. While I don't mind the Dickinson, the Stoeger has the better ergonomics for me.
I had thought recoil would be somewhat lighter with a short tube due to reduced velocity, but I've never compared two similar guns side by side, and a quick Google indicates that a 20" only loses maybe 50fps over 28" barrels so I guess it would beat you up a bit more due to the reduced mass.
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Post by TassieTiger » 30 Apr 2019, 7:27 pm

Hmmm. Thanks.
I might be overstating the distance for clays - it certainly looks like 50m when they at max height but might be 35-40. I have shot a few birds and game with 12g - and I also prefer a rifle now (not eating pellets) BUT where I’m currently hunting is very, very claustrophobic and the game is running....
I have also looked at straight pull but I currently don’t have a lever gun and I like the feel of the action.
I’m surprised you didn’t get 20 straight up especially given issues with your shoulder - there is a fair bit more weight in 28” barrels but with only 50 FPS down the shorter might be the go for me as well...
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Post by Patriot » 30 Apr 2019, 7:48 pm

Personally I recommend an Impala Plus straight pull. Best straight pull in Australia.

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Post by TassieTiger » 30 Apr 2019, 7:59 pm

Looks like it has a piece of broken wire sticking out the side lol
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Post by bladeracer » 30 Apr 2019, 8:21 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Hmmm. Thanks.
I might be overstating the distance for clays - it certainly looks like 50m when they at max height but might be 35-40. I have shot a few birds and game with 12g - and I also prefer a rifle now (not eating pellets) BUT where I’m currently hunting is very, very claustrophobic and the game is running....
I have also looked at straight pull but I currently don’t have a lever gun and I like the feel of the action.
I’m surprised you didn’t get 20 straight up especially given issues with your shoulder - there is a fair bit more weight in 28” barrels but with only 50 FPS down the shorter might be the go for me as well...


The velocity loss is not relevant I think, but the more open pattern from the shorter barrels definitely would be. I think I'll order the 20" barrel so I can compare them side by side.
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Post by TassieTiger » 30 Apr 2019, 8:22 pm

Had a look at the Dickson in very slow motion as a straight pull - it very nearly cocks itself under recoil. It gets 50% of the way there and then either spring tension or something atopsbit from cocking as a full auto....
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Post by bladeracer » 30 Apr 2019, 8:33 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Had a look at the Dickson in very slow motion as a straight pull - it very nearly cocks itself under recoil. It gets 50% of the way there and then either spring tension or something atopsbit from cocking as a full auto....


I haven't looked closely at the design as yet so I'm not sure how it works frankly. The rotating bolt head locks into the barrel but perhaps once the pressure drops it releases? I might have to get some slow-mo footage myself to work it out.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 30 Apr 2019, 8:40 pm

I've got both 20" and 28" barrels with my Adler.

They've both got their place for certain jobs.

It's a nicer gun to carry with the 20" on but it defiantly points much better with the 28"

It's probably slightly better balanced with the 28" and swings from the shoulder nicely.

The patterns are the same with the given chokes on both barrels... you won't spot the difference between 20 & 28

If your primarily shorting birds at extended ranges the 28" would be the better choice.

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Post by marksman » 30 Apr 2019, 9:47 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:I've got both 20" and 28" barrels with my Adler.

They've both got their place for certain jobs.

It's a nicer gun to carry with the 20" on but it defiantly points much better with the 28"

It's probably slightly better balanced with the 28" and swings from the shoulder nicely.

The patterns are the same with the given chokes on both barrels... you won't spot the difference between 20 & 28

If your primarily shorting birds at extended ranges the 28" would be the better choice.

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Post by TassieTiger » 01 May 2019, 1:59 pm

Handled the pardus lax 12g today - cycles very very smoothly and can purchase with both 20 and 28” barrels...need to handle an Adler and see how it cycles. Needs to be user friendly for missus...
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Post by marksman » 01 May 2019, 7:58 pm

if you decide on an adler this would be ok if you want synthetic
I do like the idea of having both barrel sets

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Post by TassieTiger » 02 May 2019, 12:55 am

Thanks MM - a message has been sent :-)
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Post by TassieTiger » 02 May 2019, 4:21 pm

Bugger - that one sold fast...missed out.
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Post by marksman » 02 May 2019, 6:38 pm

just be patient Tassie more will come
I've seen a few at that price with both barrels
we know you are keen now so we should be able to give you the heads up :drinks:
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Post by TassieTiger » 02 May 2019, 7:16 pm

For some weird reason - I get that yellow bit of paper finally in my hand and my brains fly out the bloody window...:-) I rang seven shops in Tas today - “got any lever actions”? Nope. Bastards. Bye. Lol.
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Post by bladeracer » 03 May 2019, 4:09 pm

I've ordered the Tactical 20" barrel for the T1000 but they don't have stock, hopefully have it in a couple weeks.
$350-ish.
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Post by TassieTiger » 03 May 2019, 5:48 pm

There a couple sh straight pulls for sale at moment by pradus - multiple mags, upgraded stocks, red dots, 20 and 28” barrels - $890....I’m getting itchy. I really wanted the lever action but...but....
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Post by bladeracer » 31 May 2019, 10:22 pm

bladeracer wrote:I've ordered the Tactical 20" barrel for the T1000 but they don't have stock, hopefully have it in a couple weeks.
$350-ish.


My 20" barrel has finally passed through Border Force, should have it next week.
I have a long roll of 810mm wide paper for patterning, hopefully I'll learn something :-)
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Post by TassieTiger » 01 Jun 2019, 12:39 am

I put a half a dozen boxes through the Adler last night and it never missed a beat - very fast follow up with the lever.
Would have preferred the 20 inch barrel and it may get replaced at some stage but at the moment, pretty happy with auntie Adler
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