Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

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Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by TassieTiger » 16 May 2019, 2:39 am

During my research before buying a lever action, I came across something that might spark some conversation on the forum.
I don’t condone nor support this - but found it interesting nonetheless.

A person that I don’t personally know, other than for the fact he was at a gun shop at the same time as myself, heard my thoughts being expressed about buying an Adler.

This person (Ole Mate) then showed me his modified straight pull...not sure of the model.

So, OM, had fitted a slotted piece of pvc pipe (hindsight it could have been two parts plastic welded) , around the outside of the tubular magazine, with a external tang that ran along the side and secured the “pull” knob, into the pvc slide.
The pvc had a Teflon Coated interior that slid on the existing tubular magazine - which itself was lightly modified in a manner that I can’t really describe...but it seemed to have a couple of lugs x 2 that helped secure the tube into the slotted pvc to hold it all together.
The external pvc was painted, engraved with Winchester style lines and it all made the firearm look pretty darn factory.

It was efficient - cycling the straight pull action, exactly the same as a pump action, which begged the question...if OM hasn’t modified the internals, nor has he really improved the “potential” rate of fire - is he outside the legal framework?
I personally would not risk it either way, but he honestly believed he would be on the positive side of a grey line...me, I’m not so sure...
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Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by trekin » 16 May 2019, 5:07 am

I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that all jurisdictions have within their firearms laws, some section that specifically specifies that modifying how a firearm functions to the same as that of a firearm in another category is illegal unless you are a smith/amourer, and illegal to possess unless you have the appropriate licence (or are a crimimal, in which case the laws don't mean diddle squat to you anyway).
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Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by on_one_wheel » 16 May 2019, 6:58 am

Sounds like old mate might be a terrorist waiting to happen with his shotgun modified for superior fire power, extra high powered, rapid fire, loophole jumping, military death machine.

I've often wondered how a straight pull would go with a cordless drill battery powered, long stroke electric solinoid triggered by a momentary switch to cycle the action.... but I'm too much of an upstanding law abiding citizen to find out.
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Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by Stix » 16 May 2019, 10:36 am

Nah mste...its modified to function in the same manner as a pump, & if he is not licenced for that category & is caught by an anti believer copper in a mood, it'll be the last time he sees his of his guns for a bit.

If coppers can throw the book at you for using a coke bottle as a form of sound moderator, & also for inadvertantly leaving a 12g round on your loading bench, rest assured they'll re-sleeve his poop shoot with all manner of firearms charges...

Either way, if he thinks he can sucessfully argue the point & win, it will be with the lengthy & costly aid of a lawyer, courtroom, & barrister, not to mention be without a gun in his shoulder for the (id guess atleast 2 yrs) while the entire saga finds its way accross desks & into &back out of court...

Also, he must have a lot of spare time & cash to be flaunting a gamble in a gun shop like that... ;) 8-)

In any case, i figured/assumed straight pull's were just modified semi's...so wouldnt it be easier, & more conspicuous to just change springs & modify internals so the only way a novice coppee can tell its now a semi is to live fire it.... :unknown:

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Post by pomemax » 16 May 2019, 1:24 pm

Don,t say what gun shop they could get in a world of hurt for not reporting for Ole Mate I can see a row of Sh*t houses getting tipped over but showing a modified firearm to a stranger in a gun shop he may not be the sharpest knife in the draw.
I can see another storm comming watch the report https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-30/ ... ns/9807790
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Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by cracker » 16 May 2019, 2:36 pm

so the action runs from the forend... in a pump manner.
its a pump shotgun, his an idiot.
if he has a dealers license he prob has a,b,c,d,e,h anycase...
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Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by TassieTiger » 16 May 2019, 4:25 pm

He didn’t have the firearm in the gun shop - he had it locked in boot of vehicle.
He over heard me saying I was applying for cat C but changed my mind due to red tape.

It was his opinion that the fire arm is still a straight pull shotgun - he has made a simplistic amendment, that simply helps him activate the straight pull action...

I can kinda see his point...if I squint real hard and block both ears - but in this stage, he’d be done for replication regardless...
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Post by bigfellascott » 16 May 2019, 4:26 pm

I reckon the cops who read this forum for info like this will be coming knocking on your door Tassie Tiger and asking for more info. :D
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Post by TassieTiger » 16 May 2019, 4:31 pm

Wha? Who? Hacked account, eh? Anyone wants me - I’m under the bed.
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Post by bigfellascott » 16 May 2019, 4:37 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Wha? Who? Hacked account, eh? Anyone wants me - I’m under the bed.


Oh no they are much more sophisticated than that these days - hope everythings in order at home :D they watch this forum and all the other forums etc to find out about illegal activities such as this so don't be surprised if they do come a knockin. :drinks:
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Post by BangBangSkeetSkeet » 16 May 2019, 4:51 pm

here, have one of these...
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Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by TassieTiger » 16 May 2019, 4:56 pm

Oh well. My name is Tassie Tiger and it has been a pleasure :-).
On another note - I saw an Adler on used guns that had a some ropey type stuff wrapped around the lever - makes it easier on the knuckles...is that modified?
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Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by Stix » 16 May 2019, 6:37 pm

Lol...
Just delete the post Tassie...you're not breaking the law mate...thats pretty clear... :thumbsup:
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Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by TassieTiger » 16 May 2019, 7:54 pm

It makes for an interesting discussion point - your not legally allowed to modify a firearm...but ppl do it and maybe don’t realise it...

There’s a slow motion video of a Dickson straight pull on YouTube - under recoil, the bolt moves back 50-60% of the way to almost cock it and reload itself, but just doesn’t quite make it - so as Stix said, there are easier ways if someone was so inclined.
The motor is another potential engineering marvel that would see the gun categorised as something different...but all said and done - that thumb action link above? Phwoooaarrrt.....if that comes in, it HAS to be a C class surely?
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Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by bigfellascott » 16 May 2019, 8:12 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Oh well. My name is Tassie Tiger and it has been a pleasure :-).
On another note - I saw an Adler on used guns that had a some ropey type stuff wrapped around the lever - makes it easier on the knuckles...is that modified?


Nope hasn't modified the way the action works. :D
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Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by TassieTiger » 16 May 2019, 8:57 pm

Neither does a plastic pipe, that pushes against the straight pull lever...the action itself works, exactly the same...
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Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by cracker » 16 May 2019, 9:29 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Neither does a plastic pipe, that pushes against the straight pull lever...the action itself works, exactly the same...


bar the fact you have added a pump forend ?
the basic action of a "straight pull" and a pump gun are basically the same... sorta they are more like a broken semi auto.
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Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by Stix » 16 May 2019, 9:46 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Neither does a plastic pipe, that pushes against the straight pull lever...the action itself works, exactly the same...


Spot on Tassie...spot on... :thumbsup:

Unfortunately however, the prosecution will argue intent etc etc...
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