Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Double barrel, side by side, over-under, semi-automatic, straight-pull and lever action shotguns.

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by Stix » 16 May 2019, 10:02 pm

cracker wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:Neither does a plastic pipe, that pushes against the straight pull lever...the action itself works, exactly the same...


bar the fact you have added a pump forend ?
the basic action of a "straight pull" and a pump gun are basically the same... sorta they are more like a broken semi auto.


Thats not true cracker...!!...apparently if you have a pump you need to navigate through another costly level of govt administration that somehow stops you being a danger to society...
If however you buy a straight pull, which for some actually provides a quicker rate of fire, you will bot be a danger to society... :thumbsup:

Its funny how the manufacturers take the piss out of our laws by modifying a semi auto to a straight pull & negotiate it into the country, but if you (we) did it, it'd be good night nelly & be shipped off in the back of the old wagon to the lock-up with Terrence the Terrorist,,,
The man who knows everything, doesnt really know everything...he's just stopped learning...
Stix
Brigadier
Brigadier
 
Posts: 2392
South Australia

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by cracker » 16 May 2019, 10:27 pm

Stix wrote:
cracker wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:Neither does a plastic pipe, that pushes against the straight pull lever...the action itself works, exactly the same...


bar the fact you have added a pump forend ?
the basic action of a "straight pull" and a pump gun are basically the same... sorta they are more like a broken semi auto.


Thats not true cracker...!!...apparently if you have a pump you need to navigate through another costly level of govt administration that somehow stops you being a danger to society...
If however you buy a straight pull, which for some actually provides a quicker rate of fire, you will bot be a danger to society... :thumbsup:

Its funny how the manufacturers take the piss out of our laws by modifying a semi auto to a straight pull & negotiate it into the country, but if you (we) did it, it'd be good night nelly & be shipped off in the back of the old wagon to the lock-up with Terrence the Terrorist,,,


im not sure how too compare a pump shotgun to a straight pull, iv never used a straight pull and im sure they are fine... but you can empty a pump shot gun very fast.

not really taking the piss out of the laws its actually a very clever way for them to be able to sell a product in australia, that savage leaver release 22lr thing would have never been able to be sold here if the semi auto version was aswell its clever marketing.
cracker
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 139
Victoria

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by knowsnothin » 16 May 2019, 10:37 pm

yes. its possible to illegally modify an existing firearm. however,

"The discussion or promotion of illegal activities is prohibited"

per 'enough gun'. i don't know why this thread has been allowed to live this long.

i don't think this discussion helps us in anyway. it will be picked up by muppets who will have no idea and use it for their purposes.

Want a cat C firearm? jump the hoops.
knowsnothin
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 135
Western Australia

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by Goose#24 » 16 May 2019, 10:53 pm

I personally think ole mate is crazy to be telling people about his modifications let alone showing people. Especially in hobart of all places, tassie is a small place... it's probably the same person I herd talking to a shop owner about the idea of how easy it would be when he was looking at a straight pull? :?
Goose#24
Private
Private
 
Posts: 19
Tasmania

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by bigfellascott » 16 May 2019, 11:02 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Neither does a plastic pipe, that pushes against the straight pull lever...the action itself works, exactly the same...


You tell em that when they come stormin through ya door mate, I'm sure they will agree with ya and are only there to tell ya so :D
User avatar
bigfellascott
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 5822
-

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by TassieTiger » 17 May 2019, 7:50 am

I posted this up as a discussion point - not a how to, not an agreement with...a discussion point is for education - it’s not illegal.

Regardless of how an action is cycled, if your not changing the true intent of that action - is it illegal? This guy - I think would be done regardless, call it an example of, call it a replication of arms that he may? Not have been licensed for (it’s true he may well have had cat C) but for the purpose of discussion has he really changed the firearms true cycling action ? I’m not 100% sure. If you place a piece of plastic through a lever action to help you cycle the lever, have you modded the action?
Tikka T3 .260 (custom)
Steyr Pro Varmint .223
CZ455 .22 & Norinco .22
ATA 686 U/O 12g & Baikal S/S 12g
Steyr Pro Hunt 30-06 (Dud!!!)
Sauer 100 30-06
TassieTiger
Captain
Captain
 
Posts: 1338
Tasmania

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by bigfellascott » 17 May 2019, 8:06 am

TassieTiger wrote:I posted this up as a discussion point - not a how to, not an agreement with...a discussion point is for education - it’s not illegal.

Regardless of how an action is cycled, if your not changing the true intent of that action - is it illegal? This guy - I think would be done regardless, call it an example of, call it a replication of arms that he may? Not have been licensed for (it’s true he may well have had cat C) but for the purpose of discussion has he really changed the firearms true cycling action ? I’m not 100% sure. If you place a piece of plastic through a lever action to help you cycle the lever, have you modded the action?


You ask em when they show up mate, they will be only too happy to assist in the matter and answer all your questions after you've answered theirs. :D
User avatar
bigfellascott
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 5822
-

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by TassieTiger » 17 May 2019, 8:09 am

Mate - good coffee calms everyone...trust me :sarcasm:
Once I see the black vans start pulling up, the little robot cameras - I’ll know that “ coffee “ is no longer on the table lol
Tikka T3 .260 (custom)
Steyr Pro Varmint .223
CZ455 .22 & Norinco .22
ATA 686 U/O 12g & Baikal S/S 12g
Steyr Pro Hunt 30-06 (Dud!!!)
Sauer 100 30-06
TassieTiger
Captain
Captain
 
Posts: 1338
Tasmania

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by bigfellascott » 17 May 2019, 8:12 am

TassieTiger wrote:Mate - good coffee calms everyone...trust me :sarcasm:
Once I see the black vans start pulling up, the little robot cameras - I’ll know that “ coffee “ is no longer on the table lol


Nah it will be all over the room let alone the table :lol: :drinks:
User avatar
bigfellascott
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 5822
-

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by TassieTiger » 17 May 2019, 8:21 am

I should ring firearms and get their official position...would be interesting.
Lay your bets gentlemen
Tikka T3 .260 (custom)
Steyr Pro Varmint .223
CZ455 .22 & Norinco .22
ATA 686 U/O 12g & Baikal S/S 12g
Steyr Pro Hunt 30-06 (Dud!!!)
Sauer 100 30-06
TassieTiger
Captain
Captain
 
Posts: 1338
Tasmania

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by FNQ » 17 May 2019, 8:37 am

We all modify guns with rails, scopes, bipods & stocks etc.

Assume this straight pull “enhancer” is removable.

However strapping coke bottles or oil filters etc to barrels is frowned upon.

Personally I wouldn’t do it.
Gamo CF.177, Savage A.22ss, Norinco JW15A, Savage 42 .22/.410, Stirlng .22MAG, Howa .223 stainless, Remington 770 .308, Savage AXIS .30-06, Mk4 #1 .303, Mk4 #2 .303, Akkar Churchill O/U 12ga, Chippa lever 12ga.

GSM 1911 .22, Glock 17A 9mm, Glock 34 9mm
FNQ
Private
Private
 
Posts: 29
Queensland

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by trekin » 17 May 2019, 8:42 am

To put your mind at ease, Tas, the internals are not the only part that defines function. The external means of operating the internals is also part of that definition. A straight pull requires you to move the hand with your trigger finger away from the trigger to cycle the handle, a pump does not. A pump action can be slam fired, a straight pull can not. As very nearly all so called straight pul shotties here have spring assised return to battery, then to do as OM has done would also require some modification to the internals.
I would suggest OM is at best, a backyard smith (illegally), trying to drum up business, or at worst, an undercover cop trying to make the lie about LAFOs being the problem into some half arsed truth.
Image Rifle stock and pistol grip reproduction.
"legally obligated to be a victim in this country"
I earned every grey hair I have.
User avatar
trekin
Staff Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
 
Posts: 665
Queensland

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by TassieTiger » 17 May 2019, 9:11 am

trekin wrote:To put your mind at ease, Tas, the internals are not the only part that defines function. The external means of operating the internals is also part of that definition. A straight pull requires you to move the hand with your trigger finger away from the trigger to cycle the handle, a pump does not. A pump action can be slam fired, a straight pull can not. As very nearly all so called straight pul shotties here have spring assised return to battery, then to do as OM has done would also require some modification to the internals.
I would suggest OM is at best, a backyard smith (illegally), trying to drum up business, or at worst, an undercover cop trying to make the lie about LAFOs being the problem into some half arsed truth.


Ahhh. I see. " The external means of operating the internals is also part of that definition. " - this answers everything and screws my artificial argument right in the keister...Cheers.
I looked at a straight pull a while back that allowed for the pull button to be swapped from left to right by screwing in/out the handle. I am right handed, and with the bolt changed to the left side, I could quite easily hold / operate the 12g with finger on the trigger, sighted at target, with left hand continuing to cycle the action...ie very little difference to a pump.

I honestly dont know whom he was - he simply over heard me talking about pumps, levers and straight pulls...I was a little shocked to be honest when he said he wanted to show me something...he could have asked me out for a coffee first and I would have been his, but to just ask me over to his boot like that ?
Tikka T3 .260 (custom)
Steyr Pro Varmint .223
CZ455 .22 & Norinco .22
ATA 686 U/O 12g & Baikal S/S 12g
Steyr Pro Hunt 30-06 (Dud!!!)
Sauer 100 30-06
TassieTiger
Captain
Captain
 
Posts: 1338
Tasmania

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by trekin » 17 May 2019, 9:24 am

TassieTiger wrote:
trekin wrote:To put your mind at ease, Tas, the internals are not the only part that defines function. The external means of operating the internals is also part of that definition. A straight pull requires you to move the hand with your trigger finger away from the trigger to cycle the handle, a pump does not. A pump action can be slam fired, a straight pull can not. As very nearly all so called straight pul shotties here have spring assised return to battery, then to do as OM has done would also require some modification to the internals.
I would suggest OM is at best, a backyard smith (illegally), trying to drum up business, or at worst, an undercover cop trying to make the lie about LAFOs being the problem into some half arsed truth.


Ahhh. I see. " The external means of operating the internals is also part of that definition. " - this answers everything and screws my artificial argument right in the keister...Cheers.
I looked at a straight pull a while back that allowed for the pull button to be swapped from left to right by screwing in/out the handle. I am right handed, and with the bolt changed to the left side, I could quite easily hold / operate the 12g with finger on the trigger, sighted at target, with left hand continuing to cycle the action...ie very little difference to a pump.

I honestly dont know whom he was - he simply over heard me talking about pumps, levers and straight pulls...I was a little shocked to be honest when he said he wanted to show me something...he could have asked me out for a coffee first and I would have been his, but to just ask me over to his boot like that ?

Glad to of some help. Did you by chance happen to fire said firearm with the swapable handle, particualy multiple rounds as fast as possible?
Image Rifle stock and pistol grip reproduction.
"legally obligated to be a victim in this country"
I earned every grey hair I have.
User avatar
trekin
Staff Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
 
Posts: 665
Queensland

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by TassieTiger » 17 May 2019, 10:03 am

trekin wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:
trekin wrote:To put your mind at ease, Tas, the internals are not the only part that defines function. The external means of operating the internals is also part of that definition. A straight pull requires you to move the hand with your trigger finger away from the trigger to cycle the handle, a pump does not. A pump action can be slam fired, a straight pull can not. As very nearly all so called straight pul shotties here have spring assised return to battery, then to do as OM has done would also require some modification to the internals.
I would suggest OM is at best, a backyard smith (illegally), trying to drum up business, or at worst, an undercover cop trying to make the lie about LAFOs being the problem into some half arsed truth.


Ahhh. I see. " The external means of operating the internals is also part of that definition. " - this answers everything and screws my artificial argument right in the keister...Cheers.
I looked at a straight pull a while back that allowed for the pull button to be swapped from left to right by screwing in/out the handle. I am right handed, and with the bolt changed to the left side, I could quite easily hold / operate the 12g with finger on the trigger, sighted at target, with left hand continuing to cycle the action...ie very little difference to a pump.

I honestly dont know whom he was - he simply over heard me talking about pumps, levers and straight pulls...I was a little shocked to be honest when he said he wanted to show me something...he could have asked me out for a coffee first and I would have been his, but to just ask me over to his boot like that ?

Glad to of some help. Did you by chance happen to fire said firearm with the swapable handle, particualy multiple rounds as fast as possible?


I didn't personally shoot the shottie, cycling a full mag - the person showing me was at the clay club where such things as rapid fire is frowned upon, but I did shoot a couple of rounds to actually see if it could be held in position whilst cycling, thus my comments. I think anyone of reasonable size could do likewise.
Tikka T3 .260 (custom)
Steyr Pro Varmint .223
CZ455 .22 & Norinco .22
ATA 686 U/O 12g & Baikal S/S 12g
Steyr Pro Hunt 30-06 (Dud!!!)
Sauer 100 30-06
TassieTiger
Captain
Captain
 
Posts: 1338
Tasmania

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by bigfellascott » 17 May 2019, 10:56 am

TassieTiger wrote:I should ring firearms and get their official position...would be interesting.
Lay your bets gentlemen


I'm sure they will tell you when they call over for a chat. :D
User avatar
bigfellascott
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 5822
-

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by bigfellascott » 17 May 2019, 11:02 am

TassieTiger wrote:
trekin wrote:To put your mind at ease, Tas, the internals are not the only part that defines function. The external means of operating the internals is also part of that definition. A straight pull requires you to move the hand with your trigger finger away from the trigger to cycle the handle, a pump does not. A pump action can be slam fired, a straight pull can not. As very nearly all so called straight pul shotties here have spring assised return to battery, then to do as OM has done would also require some modification to the internals.
I would suggest OM is at best, a backyard smith (illegally), trying to drum up business, or at worst, an undercover cop trying to make the lie about LAFOs being the problem into some half arsed truth.


Ahhh. I see. " The external means of operating the internals is also part of that definition. " - this answers everything and screws my artificial argument right in the keister...Cheers.
I looked at a straight pull a while back that allowed for the pull button to be swapped from left to right by screwing in/out the handle. I am right handed, and with the bolt changed to the left side, I could quite easily hold / operate the 12g with finger on the trigger, sighted at target, with left hand continuing to cycle the action...ie very little difference to a pump.

I honestly dont know whom he was - he simply over heard me talking about pumps, levers and straight pulls...I was a little shocked to be honest when he said he wanted to show me something...he could have asked me out for a coffee first and I would have been his, but to just ask me over to his boot like that ?


They will be able to work out who he is by speaking to those at the gunshop who spoke to him and via video security cameras in the shop, they just need you to tell them which shop and persons you spoke too and what was said. :D
User avatar
bigfellascott
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 5822
-

Re: Straight pull 12g illegally mod to pump

Post by TassieTiger » 17 May 2019, 11:06 am

bigfellascott wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:
trekin wrote:To put your mind at ease, Tas, the internals are not the only part that defines function. The external means of operating the internals is also part of that definition. A straight pull requires you to move the hand with your trigger finger away from the trigger to cycle the handle, a pump does not. A pump action can be slam fired, a straight pull can not. As very nearly all so called straight pul shotties here have spring assised return to battery, then to do as OM has done would also require some modification to the internals.
I would suggest OM is at best, a backyard smith (illegally), trying to drum up business, or at worst, an undercover cop trying to make the lie about LAFOs being the problem into some half arsed truth.


Ahhh. I see. " The external means of operating the internals is also part of that definition. " - this answers everything and screws my artificial argument right in the keister...Cheers.
I looked at a straight pull a while back that allowed for the pull button to be swapped from left to right by screwing in/out the handle. I am right handed, and with the bolt changed to the left side, I could quite easily hold / operate the 12g with finger on the trigger, sighted at target, with left hand continuing to cycle the action...ie very little difference to a pump.

I honestly dont know whom he was - he simply over heard me talking about pumps, levers and straight pulls...I was a little shocked to be honest when he said he wanted to show me something...he could have asked me out for a coffee first and I would have been his, but to just ask me over to his boot like that ?


They will be able to work out who he is by speaking to those at the gunshop who spoke to him and via video security cameras in the shop, they just need you to tell them which shop and persons you spoke too and what was said. :D


It's Tassie mate - they already know...
Tikka T3 .260 (custom)
Steyr Pro Varmint .223
CZ455 .22 & Norinco .22
ATA 686 U/O 12g & Baikal S/S 12g
Steyr Pro Hunt 30-06 (Dud!!!)
Sauer 100 30-06
TassieTiger
Captain
Captain
 
Posts: 1338
Tasmania

PreviousNext

Back to top
 
Return to Shotguns - 12 gauge, 28 gauge, 410 bore etc.
cron