Please identify this beretta

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Please identify this beretta

Post by tlia7 » 10 Jun 2020, 3:26 pm

Hi

My father passed this Beretta shot gun onto me back in the 90's.I would appreciate if someone could tell me more about it, I think it is a 1960's manufacture.
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Re: Please identify this beretta

Post by Mattraff » 11 Jun 2020, 2:10 pm

It is as written under the action a Beretta monobloc. I think it may have been replaced by the Silver Hawk in the early 60's. Contact Beretta Australia with the serial number and they will be able to tell you when it was made.
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Re: Please identify this beretta

Post by No1Mk3 » 11 Jun 2020, 6:45 pm

G'day tlia7,
Your gun looks very much like a Model 409, having the square back boxlock. To date it, and any other information, we would need to see the marks stamped on he barrel flats and action flats. Cheers.
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Re: Please identify this beretta

Post by Gadge » 17 Jun 2020, 3:42 pm

With Beretta SXS, the actual model number is generally stamped into the fore-end wood, in one of the barrel channels.
Definitely not a base model gun, in any case. Does it have extractors or ejectors?

As No1Mk3 says, if you can provide clear pics of the various proofmarks, it's quite easy to determine the year it was made, and a lot of other info.

Or if you want to have a crack at that, this is a truly excellent online shotgun proofmark reference site; http://www.shotguns.se/html/proofmarks.html
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Re: Please identify this beretta

Post by tlia7 » 18 Jul 2020, 5:35 pm

Thanks Gadge
It has extractors not ejectors.
I will look at the link provided
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Re: Please identify this beretta

Post by Col » 18 Jul 2020, 6:06 pm

Tia7

Let us know what you find out model wise. I reckon my old man has one and I would be interested to know the model.

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Re: Please identify this beretta

Post by pomemax » 18 Jul 2020, 9:02 pm

AA=1975; AB=1976; AC=1977; AD=1978 AE=1979; AF=1980; AH=1981; AI=1982; AL=1983; AM=1984; AN=1985: AP=1986; AS=1987; AT=1988; AU=1989; AZ=1990; BA=1991; BB=1992; BC=1993; BD=1994; BF=1995; BH=1996; BI=1997; BL=1998; BM=1999; BN=2000; BP=2001; BS=2002; BT=2003; BU=2004; BZ=2005; CA=2006; CB=2007; CC=2008 CD =2009.

You may wonder why the letter sequence is not logical. The reason is that the Italian language does not use the full alphabet – J,K,W,X and Y are not used in Italian words. The letter O is missed out because of a possible confusion with zero, while Q also leads to confusion when stamped very small.
Roman numeral series

I=1945; II=1946; III=1947; IV=1948; V=1949, VI=1950; VII=1951; VIII=1952; IX=1953; X=1954; XI=1955; XIII=1957; XIV=1958; XV=1959; XVI=1960; XVII=1962; XIX=1963; XX=1964; XXI=1965; XXII=1966; XXIII=1967; XXIV=1968; XXV=1969; XXVI=1970; XXVII=1971; XXVIII=1972; XXIX=1973; XXX=1974. take the barrels from the stock to find the proof marks
CF=2010, CH=2011, CI=2012, CL=2013, CM=2014.
Incidentally, the 2 letter date stamp applies to all Italian guns.
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Re: Please identify this beretta

Post by Jarhead » 19 Jul 2020, 8:47 pm

Well tlia7,

The last post by pomemax makes it clear that not only is that gun old, it will be costly to dispose of due to a clear long history of contact with lead and other dangerous contaminants.

I will make you a deal and take it off you hands for free.


Bahaha.

Seriously, I can't offer any conclusive advice. I can however observe that the engraving looks like it was done by the same craftsman (or tool) as my 1980 Beretta 680 special skeet.

Can you find the two letter date code? I would be interested in knowing what year that magnificent piece of work was made.
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Re: Please identify this beretta

Post by tlia7 » 20 Jul 2020, 4:17 pm

Hi all thanks for your feedback, I have taken more pictures and so far can confirm it is a model 409 and has all the appropriate smokeless proof marks.I can see what looks like a GB stamped and the number 12. but not sure if the GB is the date code as it is not on the list.
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Re: Please identify this beretta

Post by Jarhead » 23 Jul 2020, 10:42 am

tlia7,

The year of manufacture looks to be 1954.

The proof marks are post 1951 and the giveaway is the "X." It is easy to miss as few years marks are single digit.

Here is a similar Beretta from 1976 with an "AB" stamp in the same spot.......
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