Gadge wrote:Hi bladeracer,
I'm back on the air now, after some IT issues [dying video card et seq] that took most of the week to get sorted a bit.
Typing this on a new HP notebook PC... Resurrection of the old office PC is gonna have to wait until I get time to attend to it.
A lot of good references from Brownells are here; https://www.brownells.com/guntech/gunsm ... (Ascending)
Some blokes will recommend Larry Potterfield's [Midway USA CEO] YouTube DIY videos; I don't do so, as they often omit essential info, from an engineer's perspective.
Randy Wakeman has written some excellent articles; http://www.randywakeman.com/shotgun.htm
For the moment, do take Ian McG's advice on board - he truly is expert in the field of shotguns, and doing top class work on them.
I'd rate him, along with Kevin Sharp [trades as R E Sharp and Son] in Bairnsdale, as the two top shotgun smiths in Oz.
Gadge wrote:Crimps - yours look quite good bladeracer, here are some examples of some of mine, off the MEC 650. Win AA Compression Formed hulls, which were always the gold standard for good crimps.
The slight 'swirl' can be adjusted out, BTW, if you want to be that 'anal retentive'.
Do you have the OEM manual for your press, assuming it's a MEC?
That covers the finer points of crimp die adjustment - I think have PDF's of the 600Jr [Pre 1985 and Mk V], and 650 manuals, if you need those.
TassieTiger wrote:Hey blade, I bought one of these from Russia, that got lost in transit - ShotShell Reloading Crimp Reloader Equipment Tool 12 gauge, zn12
So whilst waiting for it - I then purchased a 12g crimp tool like this that works in a drill “roll crimping tool”...
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ROLL-CRIMPI ... SwoupaszU2
But then - after 3 months, old Russian mates device turns up after all and that works pretty well.
Is this what your interested in ? The drill crimp, works on heat from friction of turning and pressure from you pushing or drill press pushing. If you want - I can send you the roll crimper (drill) and if it works for you - send me a souvenir of your choosing - if it doesn’t work, just send it back to me...?
TassieTiger wrote:I’ve used roll crimp on shot only and gate warning devices lol so not imperative by any stretch...in fact - probably the reason for some of my lousy DTL scores lol.
olly_2001 wrote:Really enjoyed this thread.
Like I said I"m a shotgun noob but hope I can help a little.
With my property I wanted fibre wads so got some Eley No4 VIP game - this is 32g with a bit of a kick.
The other was Italian No6 with 28g and is so much more pleasant - its called Professional game.
So if its off the shelf you are after - and fibre wad - this has the least recoil I've come across.
they are a fibre wad 1425/Ft second load, really smooth, low recoil.
this is just a random link but I got it in my local gunshop
https://www.williampowell.com/gunroom/a ... e_xrcf-102
LawrenceA wrote:So much to go over.
You can get reduced recoil trap loads. Personally I would try them. Your local gun club will likely have some.
If you need to load then remember that loading for a shotgun is not the same as a rifle. It is a case of this load has this result with fewer variables.
For chokes the long choke tubes produce less recoil than short choke tubes. It is likely that you will need choke if you are shooting down the line (DTL), trench Ball etcetera. Not so much for skeet.
Heavy guns recoil differently than light guns.
Of course a light 7/8 load will likely recoil less than a 1 1/8 load.
Gun fit affects felt recoil so try a few if you can. Berretta's are much heavier than Browning or Miroku.
Not having a bung shoulder it is hard for me to judge but I am hoping a 7/8 oz (2 dram) load will be fine for you.
I have a muzzleloader 14g which I use a 20g equivalent (2dram) load and it seems recoil free even with a steel buttplate.
There is an old rhyme that harps back to before chokes and smokeless.
"A little powder a lot of lead, shoots far kills dead.
A lot of powder a little lead kicks hard wide spread."
It still holds true.
LawrenceA wrote:I started at the local gun club for that reason and to meet like minded folk.
This post is well away from your question but........
At 40m you will need choke to get a reasonably dense shot pattern.
Your basic o/u or SxS field gun will usually be 3/4 choke and full which is right for that sorta distance.
Down the line = the target flying away from you fairly slow high or low within a prescribed arc from the trap house. More deliberate shooting
Trench and Ball Trap = Fast targets flying away in a larger arc and height variations. Shoot fast or forget it
Skeet= fast target usually flying across your line of sight including straight at and straight away. Swing fast and shoot as targets don't get much beyond 20 metres.
I have found that shooting skeet has helped me with running rifle shots but shotguns are used quite differently in how you hold, aim and use the trigger. It is easy to mess up when you use your shotty like a rifle and vice Versa.
With your arm you should not have any trouble getting dispensation for getting a semi auto. Auto's absorb recoil. The Browning A5 with the long recoil system absorbs a lot of recoil. A5's can be had for about $500 up with nice ones about $1,000. From time to time new semi's come up on sale as well.
You can then go put the thick pad and recoil reducer or whatever.
I have not tried it yet but there is a shotgun discipline called field where they have the clays scoot across the ground. I think this would be great practice.
Mind you a Target box dragged by a remote control car could be fun with a .22 if you have somewhere to do it.
LawrenceA wrote:No not tried simulated field.
Sounds good.
Have you tried the reduced recoil 12g ammo yet? Probably only get it in 7 1/2's or maybe 9's.
9's are good for quail at least.
Oldbloke wrote:Blade racer. This might help you. See bottom of page attached.
bladeracer wrote:Oldbloke wrote:Blade racer. This might help you. See bottom of page attached.
Bugger, I thought you'd discovered AR2206H shotshell loads
I'm only interested in using ADI powders.
I already use AR2206H way below those levels in rifles.
28gunna wrote:Hello Bladeracer I have been reloading for 50 yrs and have loaded all sorts , My favorite powders are Vectan Imported by Ballantyne at Laverton . I have just purchased a slab of shells for my daughter((40+) and she loves them .They were NSI 21gsm 1200fps . In my model 10 Miroky (now hers) , backbored and ported they are very user friendly . I bought her some Ballantynes 21gsm Ultra low recoil but at 1450fps they are not totally user friendly despite the hype . I also use a 28g with 21grms and has a noticeable increase in recoil over the 12g NSI shells .(smaller lighter gun).
Oldbloke wrote:bladeracer wrote:Oldbloke wrote:Blade racer. This might help you. See bottom of page attached.
Bugger, I thought you'd discovered AR2206H shotshell loads
I'm only interested in using ADI powders.
I already use AR2206H way below those levels in rifles.
Did you look at the 12g loads??