#9 for Foxes?

[mchughcb]

How close do you need to be to get a fox with #9?

[LawrenceA]

Bloody close!
#9's are pretty damn small.
Good for quail and that's about it in my book. Or skeet.
For foxes need much larger like BB's I would think but never shotgunned for foxes.

[Ziege]

ive snaffed em out to 30m with 7.5's with a pretty immediate conclusion, but 9's are pretty small... on the bright side there are so many in a shell that missing shouldnt be part of the equation

[Oldbloke]

I've shot 2 yonks ago with 5s. But close (~25 yards) and facing me.
Would never use 9s under normal conditions. Likely not humane.

Normally I would consider 4s minimum but i usually use 2s. As mentioned earlier, BBs are popular.

[Diamond Jim]

All my life it was 4s or 5s for bunnies and BBs for foxes. 2s would also probably do but 9's are strictly small bird/rat/snake medicine and not humane for fox, cat etc unless you can just about place the muzzle on the back of its neck. An ethical hunter wouldn't use 9s for fox.

[Oldbloke]

All my life it was 4s or 5s for bunnies and BBs for foxes. 2s would also probably do but 9's are strictly small bird/rat/snake medicine and not humane for fox, cat etc unless you can just about place the muzzle on the back of its neck. An ethical hunter wouldn't use 9s for fox.

Yeh, for me its been 5s for ducks and rabbits. 2s for foxes.

[JohnV]

# 9 shot is too light . BB or 2 shot is much better .

[mchughcb]

Is 60m too close?

[LawrenceA]

Is 60m too close?

to kill one?
definitely
6m? maybe

[snag]

#9 is for small birds and is too light even for rabbits. You'd only use it on a fox at point-blank range. You'll do much better with #2 or BB's.

[mchughcb]

This fox was killed at 62m on the laser using #9.

https://youtu.be/Q_KbTR23Yfc

[Ziege]

of course a #9 can kill a fox, depends on how far away and where on the fox you jag it with the pellets... is it reliable for long distance? maybe not, but under 25m it would do it every time.

[mchughcb]

I think it will kill foxes easily at 50m.

[LawrenceA]

NOT with lead shot

[mchughcb]

Not with steel either.

[LawrenceA]

Not with steel either.

true that.
Or bismuth or gold or depleted uranium.

[Ziege]

easy done with vibranium or unobtainium

[mchughcb]

Depleted Uranium will do it. Gold is too soft.

[snag]

You blokes are dills, only rocking horse poop will work at that distance.

[Oldbloke]

I don't consider that to be ethical. Just 1 fluke shot does not prove its reliable or humane. Try 20 shots at 60 yards and see how many escape to recover or die very slowly. Not that you would ever find out.

That's like shooting a sambar between the eyes with NV at 20 yards with a 22lr. Then claim a 22 is ok for sambar.

I agree, 25 yards max. But would never use them myself.

https://ssaavic.com.au/hunting-pest-con ... -can-hunt/

[LawrenceA]

I don't consider that to be ethical. Just 1 fluke shot does not prove its reliable or humane. Try 20 shots at 60 yards and see how many escape to recover or die very slowly. Not that you would ever find out.

That's like shooting a sambar between the eyes with NV at 20 yards with a 22lr. Then claim a 22 is ok for sambar.

I agree, 25 yards max. But would never use them myself.

https://ssaavic.com.au/hunting-pest-con ... -can-hunt/

So true!!!

[Ziege]

I don't consider that to be ethical. Just 1 fluke shot does not prove its reliable or humane. Try 20 shots at 60 yards and see how many escape to recover or die very slowly. Not that you would ever find out.

That's like shooting a sambar between the eyes with NV at 20 yards with a 22lr. Then claim a 22 is ok for sambar.

I agree, 25 yards max. But would never use them myself.

https://ssaavic.com.au/hunting-pest-con ... -can-hunt/

dont tell the anti's but I have seen dozens eat up BB and #2 and so on and crawl off to die slowly or run off into the distance full of gun bees..... so meh

[Oldbloke]

I don't consider that to be ethical. Just 1 fluke shot does not prove its reliable or humane. Try 20 shots at 60 yards and see how many escape to recover or die very slowly. Not that you would ever find out.

That's like shooting a sambar between the eyes with NV at 20 yards with a 22lr. Then claim a 22 is ok for sambar.

I agree, 25 yards max. But would never use them myself.

https://ssaavic.com.au/hunting-pest-con ... -can-hunt/

dont tell the anti's but I have seen dozens eat up BB and #2 and so on and crawl off to die slowly or run off into the distance full of gun bees..... so meh

Problem is zeige, you just told the world.
I'm not even comfortable with that link. Puts us in a bad light IMO.

Personally I haven't had any run with 2s. But then only shot perhaps a 20 with a 12g. Shot a few with 22lr, and had a couple keep going with a confident shot. So bought a 223 as I was getting to enjoy whistling. None have run since. But I pass up risky shots.

[mchughcb]

dont tell the anti's but I have seen dozens eat up BB and #2 and so on and crawl off to die slowly or run off into the distance full of gun bees..... so meh

They won't eat this stuff up. It eats #2 and BBs for breakfast way past 70m.

https://youtu.be/3TcwX7pWFR4

[Larry]

dont tell the anti's but I have seen dozens eat up BB and #2 and so on and crawl off to die slowly or run off into the distance full of gun bees..... so meh

They won't eat this stuff up. It eats #2 and BBs for breakfast way past 70m.

https://youtu.be/3TcwX7pWFR4

That guy has a very large definition of a fox's vital area. I reckon he would have been luck to even get a hit with some of those shots. A hit or two in the paws and its arse is just in humane.

[JohnV]

I have taken dozens of foxes with BB and # 2 shot but at sensible ranges . If you are going to shoot at the max range a shotgun load can handle , you need a full choke barrel . 70 meters is too far . Up to 30 meters for reliable pattern and pellet energy .
If you want to shoot at longer ranges then use a rifle .

[mchughcb]

Personally I haven't had any run with 2s. But then only shot perhaps a 20 with a 12g. Shot a few with 22lr, and had a couple keep going with a confident shot. So bought a 223 as I was getting to enjoy whistling. None have run since. But I pass up risky shots.

For an old bloke 20 foxes with a shotgun seems quite a lot. Is that like you averaged one fox every 2 years for 40 years?

[mchughcb]

I don't consider that to be ethical. Just 1 fluke shot does not prove its reliable or humane. Try 20 shots at 60 yards and see how many escape to recover or die very slowly. Not that you would ever find out.

That's like shooting a sambar between the eyes with NV at 20 yards with a 22lr. Then claim a 22 is ok for sambar.

I agree, 25 yards max. But would never use them myself.

https://ssaavic.com.au/hunting-pest-con ... -can-hunt/

For an old bloke when was the last time you were only 18m from a sambar with a NV with a 22LR?

[Oldbloke]

I don't consider that to be ethical. Just 1 fluke shot does not prove its reliable or humane. Try 20 shots at 60 yards and see how many escape to recover or die very slowly. Not that you would ever find out.

That's like shooting a sambar between the eyes with NV at 20 yards with a 22lr. Then claim a 22 is ok for sambar.

I agree, 25 yards max. But would never use them myself.

https://ssaavic.com.au/hunting-pest-con ... -can-hunt/

For an old bloke when was the last time you were only 18m from a sambar with a NV with a 22LR?

Your question is not relevant.

[mchughcb]

Neither is your analogy but you brought it up.