First Shotgun choice

[rsj223]

I'm not big on shotguns but now know someone who go's for ducks, been shown many new around 700-1000 in U/O or O/U (over+under) what ever way you like it, and some used side by side 400-500.

I don't want to start a debate on what one is better just like to know would the used side by side be ok for ducks and maybe try clays or would I look the odd one out?

Does one kick more? or feel worse?

EDIT:
Also, have found some cheap bolt action (never knew)

And "twin triggers" is that better than one ?

Sorry so many new things.

[Ade]

Mate for a first shottie, ducks and clay, best go a under and over. Akkar Churchill is a good option for starters.

Double trigger is usually for higher end or ancient side by sides. Takes getting use to.

Single selective trigger is best for a follow up shot.

Bolt action more along them lines of slug guns. Too slow for clays or ducks.

I have both u/o and s x s. My side by side is a double trigger with external hammers and more for s**ts and giggles than anything else.

My u/o is mine main clays, bird gun.

[rsj223]

Ok bolt gone.

Will go through these used ones before I buy new but the one you suggested looks good need a feel.

This is one of the cheap ones,

Boito A681 DEFENSE, Single trigger. Extractors. 20" ported parkerised barrels & action. 3" chambers. Includes Picatinny rail underneath barrels

[Ade]

I wouldn't use that for ducks or clays. To short a barrel. It's what it says. Defense. The stocks on those boitos are crap. You want 28-30" barrels. Piccata by rail? You won't be hanging lights etc off a clay gun. Sounds like you need to do a lot more research and talk to some gun shops

[rsj223]

That was one I jumped at because of price, since posting that I've been trolling the net and have loads more info and it seems that the starting price is around 700 weather it be new or used.

I have been to a few shops and picked up many shotguns all between 800-1000 new either webley and scott, dickinson, most Made in Turkey

This is a good start as the list is getting shorter so to speak.

[Manimal]

I don't want to start a debate on what one is better just like to know would the used side by side be ok for ducks and maybe try clays or would I look the odd one out?

At 30m the pattern from a 12 gauge will be 2m+ wide. Whether your barrel is directly below the sight or an inch to the side if you went with a side-by-side you're going to hit as long as you're pointing right.

Not arguing against the O/U, saying don't rule out a side-by-side if one catches your eye.

[Skadoo]

Boito A681 DEFENSE, Single trigger. Extractors. 20" ported parkerised barrels & action. 3" chambers. Includes Picatinny rail underneath barrels

Personally I'm not a fan of the 'defence' look, the painted black stock and double rails etc.

Stoeger do similar priced options in a few more configs.

They do a few side-by-side timber and walnut options with different barrel lengths.

Longfowler is 30"

Uploaded comes in 28" and 26"

The condor is an over/under and comes in 28" or 26"

Their coach gun is 20" same as the Boito defence but is regular timber/walnut with no rails and better stock.

All for between the prices you're looking at.

[Manimal]

Personally I'm not a fan of the 'defence' look, the painted black stock and double rails etc.

Stoeger do similar priced options in a few more configs.

The Stoeger Defence stocks are awful quality too on the ones I've seen. Such a bad finish and feel.

Their walnut is apparently good though. Haven't seen myself.

[Chronos]

Mate the best thing you can do is get down to your gunshop and tell them what you're looking for.

Fit is very important with shotguns so you'd be crazy to make up your mind without holding them.

For clays you want 28-30" barrels for the long sight radius

There are a few reasonable over and unders around the $1K mark. Let fit be the deciding factor

Chronos

[bigfellascott]

Just buy a decent U/O in your Price Range, don't bother with those defence type ones or bolt action types - they are for suckers with no real idea. Go to a shop that can advise you correctly and devote a bit of time to you to make sure it fits you right, you won't be able to shoot it well if it doesn't.

[vonfram88]

Get an U/O they fit in the gun cases easier and point better. I have a Stoeger double defence side by side and it is a piece of s**t. It malfunctions and trips both tubes even after I have gummed it with grease. It completely failed to take a fox at 50 metres even though both tubes had tripped at the same time with two rounds of 00 buck. Pattern? What pattern? My XTR Winchester pump has a tighter pattern with #8 birdshot at 50 yds on just an IC choke than the Stoeger can achieve with 00 at 20 yds.

[Jack V]

Just buy a decent U/O in your Price Range, don't bother with those defence type ones or bolt action types - they are for suckers with no real idea. Go to a shop that can advise you correctly and devote a bit of time to you to make sure it fits you right, you won't be able to shoot it well if it doesn't.

+ 1 . Spot on Scott. Buy the best quality you can afford but make sure it fits you reasonable well so it comes up , swings and points well for you . How well you can swing and sight a gun has a lot to do with your success on a target and a good fit will reduce felt recoil. Finding someone at a gunshop that knows his stuff is more problematic.

[inervate]

I have a Stoeger double defence side by side and it is a piece of s**t.

Don't put that in the usedguns ad hey?

[Jack V]

50 metres with 00 buck was your problem at 50 meters the holes in the pattern could miss a Volkswagen.

[1sikxt]

Hey mate I went threw a similar thing and went for the webbly and Scott and am really happy with it

[subatom]

Hey mate I went threw a similar thing and went for the webbly and Scott and am really happy with it

Good to hear

Looking at the 912K Over + Under W&S for myself soon.

[rsj223]

I brought a used U/O a Hatsan Escort, It was brought new by someone like me that just wanted to have a crack at shotguns, so the old story its not that old and does look like new, would like to hear your thoughts on the brand good or bad.
"1sikxt" my father has Webley Scott and I was going to get one but when this one came up I just thought about saving cash,
Soo my thoughts on this shotgun, well if felt good but I dont have lots of experience with them.
What do I think of this sport, I must say the recoil is not as bad as I thought but ended up with a sore spot, I ask my son to throw up a plastic drink bottle and that was it hooked absolutely loved the fast moving target.
It felt good but dont know how it compares to a 2k plus one.
Lastly this is a great sport that I will look further into and cant wait to investigate the range, however I think it will take some getting use to so thanks for all your advice and look forward to any tips.

[vonfram88]

50 metres with 00 buck was your problem at 50 meters the holes in the pattern could miss a Volkswagen.

Maybe, but both tubes let go at the same time so there were 18 thirty calibre projectiles going down range. Pretty good chance if the gun could be choked a bit. I get at least half of the balls from a 00 cartridge onto an IPSC target at 50 yds with a proper gun.

[brett1868]

I have been in the market for a decent clay shotgun for a while, since my shooting buddy got back from a trip to his mates where they spent a couple days shooting clay. He loved it and been pestering me to buy a "Real" shotgun as apparently my 20" TactiCool Mossburg Thunder Ranch shoulder crusher isn't a real shotgun. He bought the Akkar Churchill Combo yesterday and I picked one up this afternoon. Very impressive for the price, 2 Barrels, 5 chokes and a nice hard plastic carry case all for $1240 which is half the price of the Beretta I was looking to buy. I put the savings towards the massive amount of primers I needed/ Once I get it out of the box later tonight or over the weekend I'll post some pictures.

[Royalla]

I just bought the akkar churchill myself as well. Seems like it's built well for the price and fits me well although I haven't had a chance to have a shot of it yet. That's what this weekend is for though Should hopefully bust a fee bunnies and foxes!

[Atter]

I just bought the akkar churchill myself as well. Seems like it's built well for the price and fits me well although I haven't had a chance to have a shot of it yet. That's what this weekend is for though Should hopefully bust a fee bunnies and foxes!

Nice one

Good luck with the bunnies.

[GLS_1956]

The O/U has the advantage of having a single sighting plain, also the O/U obscures less of the target/game if they are on the rise and you have raise to barrels. Some people claim that SBS guns swing easier, but I've never noticed this, but I hunted with either a pump or autoloading shotgun. Dual, or twin, triggers are mechanically simpler. As a rule the front trigger fires the more open choked barrel first, the rear trigger the tighter choked barrel.

Price wise we are now seeing lower priced O/U guns coming in from Eastern Europe and South American.

[Gregg]

Yeah but a SXS has class

[rsj223]

Well the cheap first shot gun has its first problem.
About 3 weeks ago when I first took it out it shot both barrels at the same time and I thought it was because I was testing all the different things it could do and ony don it once over 50 shots, so just blamed me.
Went out Sunday and it done it again this time twice, took it apart look, lubed it up seemed fine for about another 10 shots then it done it again so switched it over select the under barrel first and went through 3 more boxes without a problem.
So it will go back to the shop later in the week but would like to know your thoughts so I dont seem completely dumb when I take it back

[Korkt]

Which shotgun is it RSJ?

You're not the first person to have a shotty fire both at once, whoever's looking at it in the shop will be familiar with the issue.

On some O/U shotguns the first trigger is set by opening the action. The second is set by the recoil of the first shot. Could be on the problem shots your gun is setting both triggers on opening the action instead of just one.

If a sear is worn in an old shotgun recoil can trip the second trigger also, but sounds like yours is pretty new?

Either way, don't mess with it yourself. Take it back to the shop.

[rsj223]

Which shotgun is it RSJ?

You're not the first person to have a shotty fire both at once, whoever's looking at it in the shop will be familiar with the issue.

On some O/U shotguns the first trigger is set by opening the action. The second is set by the recoil of the first shot. Could be on the problem shots your gun is setting both triggers on opening the action instead of just one.

If a sear is worn in an old shotgun recoil can trip the second trigger also, but sounds like yours is pretty new?

Either way, don't mess with it yourself. Take it back to the shop.

Its a Hatsan Escort U/O, I dont know enough about it to try pull it apart, will see what the shop says just want to go there with some knowledge.

[Korkt]

Shouldn't be a big deal mate. As I said you're not the first person to have the problem.

My best guess is still opening the action setting both triggers, no need to have solved the problem for the gun shop though. They'll sort it out.

[rsj223]

He said easy fix but will take a week, he said something about shears?

[chacka]

The sear is what holds the firing pin or hammer back. When you pull the trigger the sear releases the pin/hammer and the firearm fires.

Rough explanation is the trigger and sear connect with a notch. On some triggers this is adjustable or sometimes it's fixed and a smith would need to change it.

You can have the sear engagement set so fine that the trigger is barely holding onto the sear and a bump or vibration can release it. Otherwise the sear can be worn down so it doesn't engage properly any more.

It happens, shouldn't be a big deal. Hope that makes sense.

[rsj223]

The sear is what holds the firing pin or hammer back. When you pull the trigger the sear releases the pin/hammer and the firearm fires.

Rough explanation is the trigger and sear connect with a notch. On some triggers this is adjustable or sometimes it's fixed and a smith would need to change it.

You can have the sear engagement set so fine that the trigger is barely holding onto the sear and a bump or vibration can release it. Otherwise the sear can be worn down so it doesn't engage properly any more.

It happens, shouldn't be a big deal. Hope that makes sense.

Thanks for that, I found out today it was called a sear just hope it gets done right.