A-110 Lever action shotgun.

[North East]

I don't want one....not into shotguns....lever actions have been around for over a hundred years....they cycle quickly....but they always have....why change now?

[1290]

One thing is for certain, this represents the most significant 'war' on firearms, since the longarm then the handgun stealbacks - and it is obviously the rifle as well as shotguns they are considering, why wouldnt they have rimfires as well? Do they have pumps, centrefire and rimfire in their sight??

If there is not a concerted effort on the behalf of gun owners, to oppose even discussion on the matter, then there could potentially be a lot of storage cabinets being raided; how many 30-30 levers out there? let alone the 357 and 44Mag levers that are very popular BECAUSE we cant have semis.....all the IAC and Chiappas shotties will go

There was an incident this morning where a police officer was shot in the back of the head with a shotgun (vague details, but he's sounds ok from the reports, possibly ricochet of a few pellets) ---- that was all that was needed for the "Ban the shotgun" rhetoric to resurface after a week or so of quiet. "Shotguns are dangerous, 1 shot is bad enough, more than 2 is outlandish and too much of a danger to public (read police) safety..."

[Hatter]

I can't be level the hype over this gun, ffs it's not new technology

Yeah but it's black, and to make things worse it has a little bit of red on it.

AND OMFG ISN'T THAT SCARY!!!!

[oohsam]

When was there any suggestion that either the commonwealth or the states were going into the firearm business and start buying up our guns???

Just as the SA politz canceled a number of PTAs a couple of yrs back, the firearm owners had x number of days or weeks to dispose of the rifles....same if a firearm is reclass'd, it would be up to the owner to resolve 'their' situation and dispose of it.

Given that a re-class is obviously on the table at VICPOL (dont worry about the working group, that will take too long for the grabbers) and the Adler wont hit the shores until August - it would be expedient for the stasi to reclassify the Adler within weeks if not sooner; that way no Victorians will have the opportunity to send in their PTAs, at least not for a Cat A licence....

From the sounds of that email response on the other thread.... lever shotties are only the start, if 7 rounds is high cap what about the centrefire levers with 10+ rounds....

There has been many suggestions coming from a federal level that there will be a buy back if this goes ahead.
Lets be very clear on something guys.

If the governments re-classify existing lever action firearms (and we're not just talking about shotguns here, all lever actions are part of the discussion), the owners of existing lever actions will suffer financial loss due to the policy of the government.
They have to compensate them, but this is not the issue, and I don't think this is the discussion we should be having.

It's very easy to sit here and talk about how lever actions are not rapid fire, discuss the ins and outs of firearms, the history of lever actions, and as firearm owners, we have a very tunnel vision style approach to this (because we love our sport and love our firearms), but for the average Joe, its frightening. And the average Joe doesn't know the intricate details of lever's and pumps and T - bolts etc. So they will gobble up the "Ban all guns" song and dance that the media is running.

We need to take more action.
Of the entire 8 pages in this thread, how many of you have typed up an email and sent it to the General Attorney, or your local member or whoever is the recommended body ?
Just like that petition has stuff all signatories on it. We come on the forum, rant and rave and post stats but do nothing to secure the things we have been granted.
Owning a firearm is not a right in Australia unlike America. But you bet your donkey that if this happened in the States, it wouldn't fly for a second, because if there's one thing they know how to do, is rally together and speak out. Something us Aussies are just too damn lazy to do.

If we just sit around complaining and whinging all day, in a few decades, we'll have no firearms to enjoy the sports we love, and we'll all be on here talking about the good old days.

[Jessie]

Just as the SA politz canceled a number of PTAs a couple of yrs back, the firearm owners had x number of days or weeks to dispose of the rifles....same if a firearm is reclass'd, it would be up to the owner to resolve 'their' situation and dispose of it.

You'd love getting that letter wouldn't you.

Dear sir,

Due to recent legislation changes you are now a criminal. You have X days to dispose of the firearm (at a financial loss) or you'll be treated like one.

P.S. Yes we know you paid good money for it and we told you you could have it but them's the breaks. Soz.

[1290]

Or something along the lines of " we have reconsidered your PTA and have determined that it is no longer valid..... please dispose of your single shot 22 rimfire......."

But on a very serious note, something that I have a lot of trouble accepting - is how these mofos declare that a firearm, not as yet possessed by law abiding firearm owners, being a class of the most heavily regulated Australians; would represent a threat to the safety of the community in OUR POSSESSION..... not in the possession of the criminal element, but OURS.

NO??

Consider this firearm is yet to land on these shores, when(/if) it does it will be solely for the bona fide licensed firearm owner..... NOT the criminal 'market' so therefore the implication is that these firearm will be directly diverted by 'us' to the gray or black market (they couldnt agree on a definition at the senate hearing on gray / black)...or used by us for nefarious purposes... so thanks our representatives for the faith in us you've demonstrated in your comment in Parliament (no less) ^up there.

[KWhorenet]

NZ is quite green.

[1290]

plenty of deer....

[KWhorenet]

pasture is looking good too

[1290]

AND THEYVE GOT THESE!!!!

[Oldbloke]

1290, Cant see the image

[SendIt]

Broken

[1290]

Can you see that one??

[graynomad]

Yep, can see that.

[on_one_wheel]

gee, there must be mass shootings every da in nz with stuff like that floating around. I guess we just don't hear about it because they use silences.

[on_one_wheel]

gee, there must be mass shootings every da in nz with stuff like that floating around. I guess we just don't hear about it because they use silences.

[bear foot bowhunter]

yep, its not like Each year since 2007, the Institute for Economics and Peace has ranked New Zealand as one of the most peaceful countries in the world. up there with Switzerland or any thing like that cause as you can see from these countries banning all there guns works

[1290]

when it comes to gun control..... there is no room for logic. Arguments that make sense are of little relevance to the tards...

As for as the potential re-classification and probable re-categorisation...

this tread has had over 4000 views.... Everyone who reads this is duty bound (except the greens minions who trawl / troll these pages ) to write to their police minister and express their opinion about the state of affairs in relation to lever/pumps ...

do you need standard proforma emails guys?? Just give 'us' an excuse to go all activist on this....

[Baldrick314]

Got this forwarded to me the other day:

http://www.ssaansw.org.au/index.php/hom ... der-review

If that's true then it's only the Adler up for reclassification not lever/ pumps in general. Of course the fact that the firearms agreement is under review could still spell trouble for us

[1290]

Got this forwarded to me the other day:

http://www.ssaansw.org.au/index.php/hom ... der-review

If that's true then it's only the Adler up for reclassification not lever/ pumps in general. Of course the fact that the firearms agreement is under review could still spell trouble for us

that statement needs interpretation and deciphering... much like your standard pollies press release...

I'm still trying to think where in the NFA a change would have prevented or altered the Martin Place incident.....'NFA' took the pumps and semis from the law abiding ... criminalises the possession of unregistered, unlicensed use...did McNabb reflect this while busy wristing???

What change in laws could possibly be implemented, even in a desperate 'show them we're doing something' move....pumps and semi shotties to cat D?? I think its a given that lever shotties are going to C, suspect rifles WILL be the topic of much 'discussion as well.....


"NSW Firearms Registry has no concerns....." wheres the comfort there? the registry, or more correctly the Registrar; simply administers the registry... the Chief Commish will do the dirty on shooters...and send the administrators a memo with the revised laws.....


"... the team at the NSW Firearms Registry is there to work with Shooters to ensure the on-going safety and viability of the sport. "
They are there to work with shooters??? ok....on-going safety is code for keeping as many registered firearms away from licensed shooters as possibly.

"ADLER AND LEVER-ACTION FIREARMS - A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE NATIONAL PRESIDENT........
.......At a federal level, we have been assured by Justice Minister Michael Keenan’s office that no decision has been made regarding the NFA, and have been assured that there will be consultation with key stakeholders including the SSAA and firearms industry before any changes are made. Any recommendations will not be considered until the next Council of Australian Governments (COAG) meeting, scheduled for 2016......."

Decisions will be made at the meeting, not before.....(but unofficially.... the deal has probably been done)
I would put $10 on VIC reclassifying before Adler deliveries start.....Nation wide post COAG......
I'd be very happy to lose that $10.....

[C.West]

Lets be very clear here. You're firmly in the sights of politicians and police to reclassify your guns.
All lever action shotguns and possibly every lever action gun is under review to be reclassified as Category C ie. Adler A110
This proposed reclassification to Category C is absolutely ridiculous in the extreme!

If you think its just Victoria, you're surely kidding yourself.
It must be stated that 'Now is the time to have a protest rally in each state capital'

You all now the consultation process has already commenced & don't expect to hear feedback on discussions, until reclassification to Cat C has occurred.
The only way to have an impact on the outcome is to participate in a protest rally in each capital state in JULY.
Why should Responsibly Licenced sports shooters, be hit with retrospective legislation in the guise of preventing criminal activity.
"Just give us a fair go"

Participate in a Protest Rally in JULY in your state.
'Fair Go for Sporting Shooters'

[DML]

If that's true then it's only the Adler up for reclassification not lever/ pumps in general. Of course the fact that the firearms agreement is under review could still spell trouble for us

These are just baby steps.

It's not that it could spell trouble... It will spell trouble for us, however it won't affect criminals or the police at all.

I'd be very happy to lose that $10.....

You're in Australia, mate. If you could bet on such a thing, putting money on freedom erosion and stupidity would be a smart move financially.

[Bourt]

If you think its just Victoria, you're surely kidding yourself.

They'll use "just one state" as an example to start inroads of the same thing into the rest. Yup.

[1290]

Adler story 730 on the gaybeecee tonight
http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/7-30/NC1505H117S00

Where does one start.....
So much disinfo.....
Port Arthur type... a COLT AR15 was used....there was no shotgun used at all
"pofessor" Philip Alper.... something that will fire and fire and fire..... SO only a single shot doesnt fire and fire??

"An eight shot will be available"..... Remember its what they leave out that counts - Centrefires have no limit of mag capacity for internal mag....fark I hate prestitutes....

I think Nioa hosting these tards was ill advised.... would have been better to not go to the trouble. Doesntmatter how much faster you can pull the trigger on the semiauto, they made their minds up long before entering the range.

& Just remember you gungrabbing mofos;
ALL these laws to control the law ABIDING firearm owners DO NOT by definition - apply to the crims!

[sandgroperbill]

And here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-14/r ... ts/6619226

At least Nioa are trying to put their story foward, but the so called journalist was already decided.

[Ariat]

Good on NIOA

They try and do a lot of this positive promo stuff

[1290]

Panties all in a bind because the rate of fire of this manually operated repeating lever action shotgun is soooooooooo fast, as demonstrated by the Adler promo video that may or may not have been slightly sped up.... just saying....

Then what about this old thing, which was a cat C but recategorised to D, just as these limp wristed hoplophobes registry pen pushers hope to with the Adler, so to be clear they would be in the same classification....



what about the little old saiga???

((I think I also needs me one of them^ ))



this is how:
Firearms Act 1996
DECLARATION OF CATEGORY D FIREARMS
I, Pauline Kostiuk, an authorised delegate of the Commissioner of Police, in pursuance of section 3B(1) of the Firearms Act 1996, declare the following firearms to be category D firearms: the Smith & Wesson, model M&P15-22 the Molot, model Vepr 12 the Saiga, model 12.

So it was a woman..... just saying

[pajamatime]

Panties all in a bind because the rate of fire of this manually operated repeating lever action shotgun is soooooooooo fast, as demonstrated by the Adler promo video that may or may not have been slightly sped up.... just saying....

Then what about this old thing, which was a cat C but recategorised to D, just as these limp wristed hoplophobes registry pen pushers hope to with the Adler, so to be clear they would be in the same classification....



what about the little old saiga???

((I think I also needs me one of them^ ))



this is how:
Firearms Act 1996
DECLARATION OF CATEGORY D FIREARMS
I, Pauline Kostiuk, an authorised delegate of the Commissioner of Police, in pursuance of section 3B(1) of the Firearms Act 1996, declare the following firearms to be category D firearms: the Smith & Wesson, model M&P15-22 the Molot, model Vepr 12 the Saiga, model 12.

So it was a woman..... just saying

do you think maybe its the feminist extremists that are behind the whole thing? just wondering

[RDobber]

Panties all in a bind because the rate of fire of this manually operated repeating lever action shotgun is soooooooooo fast, as demonstrated by the Adler promo video that may or may not have been slightly sped up.... just saying....

Funny the other million videos of people firing levers as quickly as they could never upset them