Adler design flaw

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Re: Adler design flaw

Post by marksman » 25 Sep 2020, 12:16 pm

Elorian keep on it mate dont let them get away with it
lMHO if an action will fire out of battery it is unsafe and should not be on the market

l had a phone call from the legal guys of a manufacturer of a very expensive firearm maker who's rifle blew up because it fired out of battery that l witnessed
lets say the conversation was pleasant but l dont expect another call back
l wish the guy who this happened to would have been the one to contact me

remington bought people out for years because there trigger on the model 700 was flawed and fired without touching the trigger till one family would not be bought out after their son was accidentally shot dead because of this
l've had issue with the actions on remington centerfire pumps opening on firing as well

l wonder how Brett went with the trying cases with primers to see if they would go off in bolt action rifles, l have done this experiment and found that the only ones that would fire were in bolts that l have fitted speed lock kits :unknown:

its a lot of work to find what you are looking for but persistence will work out for you
l dont get how money can be more important than peoples welfare, sell a better product and you will sell more
good luck with it :drinks:
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Re: Adler design flaw

Post by Patriot » 25 Sep 2020, 6:19 pm

Elorion wrote:I don´t know if this thread is dead but easter this year I had an accident with my brand new Adler. While shooting it exploaded right in my face resulting in a loss of 10 teeth and crusched upper jaw. As far as I know there where no problem with the ammo, no magnum or express loads just regular skeet/training.

OP, did they ever get an answer what was the cause of the malfunction?

When I got my Adler I thought it strange that It was kinda hard to get the lever to stick all the way back while cycling and shooting it. The action would be fully closed but the lever would have a 1-2 cm wiggle-room and I would have to push it all the way upp until I hear a click. You who have an Adler, is that "click" what locks tha action in place?

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Re: Adler design flaw

Post by TassieTiger » 25 Sep 2020, 7:01 pm

Not sure if this is in any way related to the Adler experience - I have a 28” barrel on my lever and asked my local to order me a 20” - they refused and said the only way they’d do it - was to send the firearm to NIOA and have barrel matched. I don’t think this was always the case...
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Re: Adler design flaw

Post by Oldbloke » 25 Sep 2020, 7:03 pm

marksman wrote:Elorian keep on it mate dont let them get away with it
lMHO if an action will fire out of battery it is unsafe and should not be on the market

l had a phone call from the legal guys of a manufacturer of a very expensive firearm maker who's rifle blew up because it fired out of battery that l witnessed
lets say the conversation was pleasant but l dont expect another call back
l wish the guy who this happened to would have been the one to contact me

remington bought people out for years because there trigger on the model 700 was flawed and fired without touching the trigger till one family would not be bought out after their son was accidentally shot dead because of this
l've had issue with the actions on remington centerfire pumps opening on firing as well

l wonder how Brett went with the trying cases with primers to see if they would go off in bolt action rifles, l have done this experiment and found that the only ones that would fire were in bolts that l have fitted speed lock kits :unknown:

its a lot of work to find what you are looking for but persistence will work out for you
l dont get how money can be more important than peoples welfare, sell a better product and you will sell more good luck with it :drinks:


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Re: Adler design flaw

Post by Elorion » 26 Sep 2020, 5:44 am

So just to be clear, the firing-pin can strike a shotgun shell even if the mechanism is not locked in it´s forward position?
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Re: Adler design flaw

Post by Irish9 » 26 Sep 2020, 10:05 am

I tested a few of my rifles years ago due to this concern, used primed brass and empty 22s and none of the firearms that went click fired a primer or dented a 22 without being properly locked up. In each case they would not allow the firing pin to move even though the hammer dropped.

Some of the story's above are a concern though! Be keen to know what went wrong with the Adler blow up above :shock: I use mine a lot around home and normally have a 50g magnum up the end of the tube for the fox that (almost) gets away, may start wearing glasses...
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Re: Adler design flaw

Post by bladeracer » 26 Sep 2020, 10:46 am

Elorion wrote:So just to be clear, the firing-pin can strike a shotgun shell even if the mechanism is not locked in it´s forward position?


Is there a Facebook group for Adler owners?
I would think an awful lot of owners would happily test their guns with snap caps, if only for their own safety. Then you have a data set across a wide range of samples in different conditions of wear, different ammunition manufacturers, environments, modifications, etc. If there is a problem it should quickly show up. It would be great to see Facebook do something useful for gun owners!
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Re: Adler design flaw

Post by Irish9 » 28 Sep 2020, 8:42 am

OK, had a good play around with mine, it will drop the hammer from about half way closed but the firing pin did not leave any mark on a (dud) primer until it was locked up fully. It also nailed two rabbits just the way it should shortly after testing ;-)

I too would be interested to hear the results from others Adler testing, may be a fair variation in quality between them but firing out of battery is a serious concern!
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