Entry Level O/U Shotgun Recommendations

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Re: Entry Level O/U Shotgun Recommendations

Post by happyhunter » 18 Oct 2016, 6:51 pm

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happyhunter wrote:Shotguns are part of the culture I'm from and you get given one as a kid, usually the old mans hand me down. One is nearly 70 years old. I've owned a few, favorites being the Beretta 400s like the PB409, 410, 411s, a A300 self loader and a couple of cheap Kmart pumps back in the day.

A few years ago I went and bought a Stoeger coach, 20" barrels and what not for shooting off the dirt bike. Worst firearm I've ever used. Six months later I sold it back to the LGS.



In what way was it the "worst firearm you ever used" exactly?

I had a 20" pump when I was a kid and I wouldn't bother again with short barrels if I wanted a useful gun.


When I patterned tghe barrel alignment turned out to be way out, and it periodically misfired, but worst thing was the trigger. Compared to the old Beretta SxS shotties the poor build quality was obvious. I don't have a problem with 20" barrels. The gun breaks down and fits easy in my back pack which is easy on the bike and nobody is the wiser that you are transporting a firearm but a crap gun is annoying.
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Re: Entry Level O/U Shotgun Recommendations

Post by bladeracer » 18 Oct 2016, 7:30 pm

happyhunter wrote:When I patterned tghe barrel alignment turned out to be way out, and it periodically misfired, but worst thing was the trigger. Compared to the old Beretta SxS shotties the poor build quality was obvious. I don't have a problem with 20" barrels. The gun breaks down and fits easy in my back pack which is easy on the bike and nobody is the wiser that you are transporting a firearm but a crap gun is annoying.



If alignment was out you should've returned it, same for misfiring.
I would possibly agree about the trigger, if it wasn't a shotgun.
I would expect the build quality to be obvious considering the difference in value.
Would I swap my $550 Stoeger for a $1000 Adler? Not a bloody chance, the Stoeger is a much better gun for the money.
Would I swap it for a $3000 trap gun? No bloody way, I don't have any use for firearms I'm afraid to scratch, or drop or get wet...or take out and actually use.
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Re: Entry Level O/U Shotgun Recommendations

Post by happyhunter » 18 Oct 2016, 9:51 pm

bladeracer wrote:
happyhunter wrote:When I patterned tghe barrel alignment turned out to be way out, and it periodically misfired, but worst thing was the trigger. Compared to the old Beretta SxS shotties the poor build quality was obvious. I don't have a problem with 20" barrels. The gun breaks down and fits easy in my back pack which is easy on the bike and nobody is the wiser that you are transporting a firearm but a crap gun is annoying.



If alignment was out you should've returned it, same for misfiring.
I would possibly agree about the trigger, if it wasn't a shotgun.
I would expect the build quality to be obvious considering the difference in value.
Would I swap my $550 Stoeger for a $1000 Adler? Not a bloody chance, the Stoeger is a much better gun for the money.
Would I swap it for a $3000 trap gun? No bloody way, I don't have any use for firearms I'm afraid to scratch, or drop or get wet...or take out and actually use.


I would expect the build quality to be obvious considering the difference in value.

hahaha.. do you even know what a PB409 or 410E looks like cos that's what I had to compare the Stoeger? Ive included a pic below FYI. They were made from 1934 to 1964. You can pick up a mint 409 for a grand on used guns, a rough one for 500-600, so what price difference?. Dirt cheap peasant shotgun of the day, built to last longer than the owner :D

I would possibly agree about the trigger, if it wasn't a shotgun.

That quote says it all.. shame on you for pretending to be an experience shooter/hunter. :D
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Re: Entry Level O/U Shotgun Recommendations

Post by bladeracer » 18 Oct 2016, 10:00 pm

happyhunter wrote:hahaha.. do you even know what a PB409 or 410E looks like cos that's what I had to compare the Stoeger? Ive included a pic below FYI. They were made from 1934 to 1964. You can pick up a mint 409 for a grand on used guns, a rough one for 500-600, so what price difference?. Dirt cheap peasant shotgun of the day, built to last longer than the owner :D

I would possibly agree about the trigger, if it wasn't a shotgun.

That quote says it all.. shame on you for pretending to be an experience shooter/hunter. :D



What was the price of the "old Beretta SxS shotguns" when they were new?

You're quite right, an experienced shooter would be bright enough to return a faulty shotgun...
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Re: Entry Level O/U Shotgun Recommendations

Post by bladeracer » 18 Oct 2016, 10:46 pm

bladeracer wrote:
happyhunter wrote:hahaha.. do you even know what a PB409 or 410E looks like cos that's what I had to compare the Stoeger? Ive included a pic below FYI. They were made from 1934 to 1964. You can pick up a mint 409 for a grand on used guns, a rough one for 500-600, so what price difference?. Dirt cheap peasant shotgun of the day, built to last longer than the owner :D



What was the price of the "old Beretta SxS shotguns" when they were new?



Your "dirt cheap peasant shotgun of the day" appears to have sold for around US$200 in 1961 brand new, which equates to roughly US$1600 nowadays.
That puts it at about three-times the price of a 2016 Stoeger Condor.
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Re: Entry Level O/U Shotgun Recommendations

Post by happyhunter » 19 Oct 2016, 8:21 am

The 409 went for under 100 bucks. Not sure where you got your price from. To compare, a Weatherby rifle retailed for around 260 bucks. Hows that compare to todays price for a Weatherby?

Try harder kid. Your 5 minutes in the game is showing.
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