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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by bladeracer » 28 Jul 2017, 10:28 pm

It's also a lot easier to travel the world with one rifle with a variety of loads than it is to travel with a bunch of different rifles.
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by duncan61 » 28 Jul 2017, 11:11 pm

The choices and the freedom.Gotta love it
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by Daddybang » 29 Jul 2017, 7:55 am

This conversation always cracks me up. The difference in what people think is needed to bring down scrubbers and buff is always very interesting to see. :D
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Post by Bent Arrow » 29 Jul 2017, 9:58 am

Add this to the list of argument starters
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Post by Mick280 » 29 Jul 2017, 10:04 am

bladeracer wrote:
duncan61 wrote:The 45/70 is sounding more attractive



You can't load the 45/70 heavier, but you can load other stuff down to 45/70 levels.

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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by bladeracer » 29 Jul 2017, 10:46 am

Bent Arrow wrote:Add this to the list of argument starters



They really messed that up :-)
Up to the 22-250 the only one they got right is the .22LR.
.17HMR is a .17 Mach2, .22 Hornet is a .17HMR, .22WMR is a .22 Long Rifle, and is the .223 Rem a .204 Ruger maybe?
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by aradoar234 » 06 Sep 2017, 5:02 pm

Back when I started hunting in earnest, in the late 70's, early eighties, I shot at the SSAA range at Mt Isa, in north west Qld. I met a fellow called 'Jan", and another German character called Helmut. Of the two, Helmut was by far the more believable, as Mr Jan stated that his 444 marlin could shoot through a termite nest and kill the pig behind it. Tried that myself with a Model 70 458 win mag, and the bullet definitely did not come out the other side....... maybe the 444 has some deadly secret known only to a few :roll: Mr Jan was also a keen Weatherby fan and swore by them as THE Buff gun. Helmut on the other hand used his 30.06 without any issues at all.

Why bring this up? Because 40 years later, bigger is better has not gone away, and I'm still hearing the same BS. The pro cullers used L1A1 SLR's from helicopters, and I recall very vividly coming across whole herds decimated during the BTEC programme which effectively ended my Buffalo hunting career. I only ever shot for meat (still do) and rarely ever needed a follow up shot from my 303, 8mm, or 30,06. Although I only accounted for approximately just over 200 buffalo in 12 years, I never saw the need for anything more powerful

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Post by Daddybang » 06 Sep 2017, 5:41 pm

aradoar234 wrote:Back when I started hunting in earnest, in the late 70's, early eighties, I shot at the SSAA range at Mt Isa, in north west Qld. I met a fellow called 'Jan", and another German character called Helmut. Of the two, Helmut was by far the more believable, as Mr Jan stated that his 444 marlin could shoot through a termite nest and kill the pig behind it. Tried that myself with a Model 70 458 win mag, and the bullet definitely did not come out the other side....... maybe the 444 has some deadly secret known only to a few :roll: Mr Jan was also a keen Weatherby fan and swore by them as THE Buff gun. Helmut on the other hand used his 30.06 without any issues at all.

Why bring this up? Because 40 years later, bigger is better has not gone away, and I'm still hearing the same BS. The pro cullers used L1A1 SLR's from helicopters, and I recall very vividly coming across whole herds decimated during the BTEC programme which effectively ended my Buffalo hunting career. I only ever shot for meat (still do) and rarely ever needed a follow up shot from my 303, 8mm, or 30,06. Although I only accounted for approximately just over 200 buffalo in 12 years, I never saw the need for anything more powerful

It's bullet placement every time.



Just finished reading a book called Hell West and Crooked by Tom Cole and from what he's written the good old three-oh has accounted for more buff than anything else. :thumbsup:
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by aradoar234 » 07 Sep 2017, 9:35 am

Quite true about the 303 accounting for more Buffalo ( and crocs) than any other calibre, but to be fair, there was not much else available to choose from until "proper" hunting rifles became affordable; now we are spoiled for choice, but unfortunately very much restricted by rules and regulations. One of my old reloading manuals, either Speer or Sierra, stated that the 303 has killed more game in Africa than any other calibre, but also wounded more. This is largely in part to the use of ex-mil FMJ army ammo, but exponents like" Karamojo" Bell used the 303 successfully on elephants; once again its bullet placement ( and an enormous amount of fearlessness!)

Not sure if it was Nick Harvey or Colin Shadbolt, a couple of the more famous names in hunting back in the 70's, who said that the old time Buff hunters admitted it took 7 or 8 shots to kill a buff with a 303, but to me that is just plain poor marksmanship and the used of ex army ammo once again. My best shots were all taken with a 303, although I used half a dozen other calibres ( the 7x57 mauser being a favourite) and my longest shot was just shy of 600 paces using my stock issue full wood P14 and battle sights. For those of you not familiar with hunting in the territory, the flood plains extend quite some distance until you hit the tree line, and there is no cover to hide behind to take a shot. At that distance, the front blade totally obscured the bulls head, and he dropped like a stone. Of course I used a tree trunk for a rest, and waited until he stopped moving.....my handloads duplicated military spec velocities ( 2, 500 fps out of the P14 with a 180 gn Hornady soft point. ) Hornady projectiles are the best in the 303 as they mushroom at lower velocities than the others.

One of my mates had access to Aboriginal land, and we were able to hunt right up to Coburg peninsular, where I bagged a couple of young Bantang Bulls, but that was like shooting domestic cattle, as they stood there and looked at me, and dropped with a bullet between the eyes. We did spot some Rusa stags, but we left them for the trophy hunters. From what I read, the Coburg peninsular seems to be a big dollar game hunting area now.

Still, that was forty years ago, times have changed, and living in Tasmania restricts me to 3 fallow deer a year, if I can find a property that won't charge me $100.00 a day to wander around their paddocks, Thats after paying for my deer licence, making sure my rifle is locked away securely with the bolt removed while not actively hunting and having to abide with their anal transportation of game and firearms rules. Not to mention these cowboys who think a 300 magnum is the minimum to use......
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Post by grandadbushy » 07 Sep 2017, 12:07 pm

Well said aradoar I myself am an old shooter and of late have been thinking of going 7mm mag but my mind keeps going back to the old 303
I used to buy ammo for it but from10yrs ago I've loaded my own
18mths ago I bought a 25-06 and shot a few scrubbers but shot placement was of the utmost importance be cause I can only stabilise 100gr projectiles
not 105to120's this is why I thought about 7mm mag but I think i'll do a little work on the old 303 and use her
The 303 will surprise you when you start experimenting with ammo you can really find its full potential
I have a couple both will need new barrels and general go over so I might start poking along with that

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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by marksman » 07 Sep 2017, 2:59 pm

this vid isn't about scrub bulls but shows professional buffalo culling using an old ruger tang safety model in 308 and fmj military ammo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OneyeUxzL40
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Post by grandadbushy » 07 Sep 2017, 10:46 pm

Yeah good video it was worth the watch
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