6.5x55 Swede

Calibres, cartridges, ballistics tables and ammunition information.

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by sungazer » 09 Aug 2018, 11:00 am

No1_49er wrote:So what's so special about Sambar?
The Scandinavians still use the 6.5 swede as an entirely capable Moose rifle. Even a hind is bigger than a Sambar stag.


Nothing its just one of those laws. So if you have evidence of having shot one you better have a 270 or bigger rifle.
sungazer
Major
Major
 
Posts: 1579
Victoria

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by southeast varmiter » 10 Aug 2018, 9:10 pm

sungazer wrote:
No1_49er wrote:So what's so special about Sambar?
The Scandinavians still use the 6.5 swede as an entirely capable Moose rifle. Even a hind is bigger than a Sambar stag.


Nothing its just one of those laws. So if you have evidence of having shot one you better have a 270 or bigger rifle.


Not just Sambar. Rusa and Red’s too.

http://www.gma.vic.gov.au/hunting/deer/hunting-methods
southeast varmiter
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 273
Victoria

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by bigrich » 11 Aug 2018, 6:59 am

damn shame about that law. i wouldn't use a 6.5 on a sambar by choice but. 308 or 30-06 would be a dedicated starting point for me . however, up west of brisssy and around the nsw border a 6.5 x55 is more than enough gun for anything i'm likely to come across. just got to thinking this morning about what you could do with a old 6.5 service rifle if it needed a rebarrel, wouldn't be hard to neck it up to 7mm, or down to .257. dunno about preasures , 8x55 ? or .243 x55 ? thoughts anyone ?
bigrich
Staff Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
 
Posts: 730
Queensland

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by No1Mk3 » 11 Aug 2018, 9:54 am

G'day bigrich,
If you were going to rebarrel the Swede to a larger round, then 7x57 would be a good choice, std caliber and ammo rather than a wildcat caliber x 55mm. They were also rebarreled to 7.62NATO. cheers.
No1Mk3
Staff Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
 
Posts: 710
Victoria

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by marksman » 11 Aug 2018, 8:35 pm

No1Mk3 wrote:G'day bigrich,
If you were going to rebarrel the Swede to a larger round, then 7x57 would be a good choice, std caliber and ammo rather than a wildcat caliber x 55mm. They were also rebarreled to 7.62NATO. cheers.


+1 :thumbsup:
marksman
Lieutenant
Lieutenant
 
Posts: 1097
Victoria

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by bigrich » 11 Aug 2018, 9:55 pm

just dreamin' and thinkin' what if . 7x57 is probably THE most accurate do everthing classic caliber. read a article in american"rifle shooter" magazine where they reloaded with hornady eld-x projectiles and eclipsed 6.5 CM in all around ballistics. i have the opinion that 6.5x55 loaded to hotter standards in modern rifles with better projectiles is my "do all" caliber. when i bought my first m38 husky 32 years ago all you could get was swede millitary FMJ that we used to flat point on a bench grinder. it worked well at the time. cartridges like 6.5 CM have certainly improved projectile range immensely . a wildcat caliber on the 6.5x55 has me thinking though. reminds me of all the .303 derived calibers . 303-25 was a good one :thumbsup: :drinks: :thumbsup:
bigrich
Staff Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
 
Posts: 730
Queensland

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by Gwion » 12 Aug 2018, 9:06 am

No1_49er wrote:So what's so special about Sambar?
The Scandinavians still use the 6.5 swede as an entirely capable Moose rifle. Even a hind is bigger than a Sambar stag.


Just Vic law, mate. Arbitrary designation of caliber.
User avatar
Gwion
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 4722
-

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by No1_49er » 12 Aug 2018, 10:04 am

Gwion wrote:
No1_49er wrote:So what's so special about Sambar?
The Scandinavians still use the 6.5 swede as an entirely capable Moose rifle. Even a hind is bigger than a Sambar stag.

Just Vic law, mate. Arbitrary designation of caliber.

Arbitrary, yes.
A read of the document that states the calibre requirements for the various deer types does not state a minimum velocity, and therefore the resultant energy.
And to also include the long bow/crossbow requirements, which in essence dispatch a long blade that may, or may not, strike bone and simply cause a cutting wound. If the "knife" happens to cause a good cut and strike a vital organ, the animal bleeds out. How can that be better/more humane than something like a 6.5 Swede?
Like a lot of them, law contrived by people how haven't got a good grip on life.
Proud member of "the powerful gun lobby" of Australia :)
No1_49er
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 145
Queensland

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by Gwion » 13 Aug 2018, 6:59 am

Totally. If they are going to assign minimums, you would think it would be muzzle energy.
User avatar
Gwion
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 4722
-

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by bigrich » 13 Aug 2018, 7:02 am

muzzle energy is too hard for the rule makers to understand :unknown:
bigrich
Staff Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
 
Posts: 730
Queensland

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by marksman » 13 Aug 2018, 8:41 am

heres a picture I was sent by a bloke I sold a barrel to, his improved swede
6.5x 284, 6.5 improved and sambar legal 9.3x55 improved

Image

the 6.5 improved is from what I have read as good as the 6.5x284
but the 9.3x55 improved looks like it would hit like the hammer of thor
I like it :drinks: I also like improving cases :thumbsup:
marksman
Lieutenant
Lieutenant
 
Posts: 1097
Victoria

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by Supaduke » 13 Aug 2018, 9:11 am

It's set as a calibre so officers in the field can simply check the headstamp of a case and you are on your way. Muzzle energy etc gets to complex, different pill weights , different powders, different volumes. Opens up a legal minefield for people to contest. It's not arbitrary at all really. Can you imagine a field officer trying to conclude the suitability of a round in the middle of a forest, arguing with hunters about supposed energies etc. It's just about expediency and simplicity. A .270 will do the job with any powder and pill combo.
Supaduke
Captain
Captain
 
Posts: 1380
Victoria

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by bladeracer » 13 Aug 2018, 9:55 am

Supaduke wrote:It's set as a calibre so officers in the field can simply check the headstamp of a case and you are on your way. Muzzle energy etc gets to complex, different pill weights , different powders, different volumes. Opens up a legal minefield for people to contest. It's not arbitrary at all really. Can you imagine a field officer trying to conclude the suitability of a round in the middle of a forest, arguing with hunters about supposed energies etc. It's just about expediency and simplicity. A .270 will do the job with any powder and pill combo.


It wouldn't be too difficult to do what competition does, require hunters to give up a cartridge or two, tag it as evidence, and test it back at the office.
6.5x55mm with a 160gn RN at 2500fps hits bloody hard.
Practice Strict Gun Control - Precision Counts!
User avatar
bladeracer
General
General
 
Posts: 3839
Victoria

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by Supaduke » 13 Aug 2018, 10:23 am

Yes , but then they have to hire people to test it, technicalities such as was the submitted round loaded the same as the first round etc. All the extra associated paperwork. The time frame alone would cause a huge backlog. Would cost millions to set up and maintain a new government department to do all the testing. Then there are issues if you are caught with a suspect load, you may be prevented from continuing to hunt until your load is verified etc etc, on and on it goes.

Won't work, hence a simple calibre cut off.
Supaduke
Captain
Captain
 
Posts: 1380
Victoria

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by bigrich » 13 Aug 2018, 1:20 pm

marksman wrote:heres a picture I was sent by a bloke I sold a barrel to, his improved swede
6.5x 284, 6.5 improved and sambar legal 9.3x55 improved

Image

the 6.5 improved is from what I have read as good as the 6.5x284
but the 9.3x55 improved looks like it would hit like the hammer of thor
I like it :drinks: I also like improving cases :thumbsup:


9.3x55, now that's a interesting prospect for my idea of a 6.5x55 based wildcat in a old husky ;) :thumbsup:
bigrich
Staff Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
 
Posts: 730
Queensland

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by Gwion » 13 Aug 2018, 1:32 pm

Supaduke wrote:It's set as a calibre so officers in the field can simply check the headstamp of a case and you are on your way. Muzzle energy etc gets to complex, different pill weights , different powders, different volumes. Opens up a legal minefield for people to contest. It's not arbitrary at all really. Can you imagine a field officer trying to conclude the suitability of a round in the middle of a forest, arguing with hunters about supposed energies etc. It's just about expediency and simplicity. A .270 will do the job with any powder and pill combo.



Fair call. Being based on factory ammo, .270 is probably the minimum cal that delivers the goods. Quite a few cartridges of lesser cal can too, the historical use of 6.5x55 being the classic example, but at the same time there are cartridges in those cals that would be less than ideal in average circumstances.
User avatar
Gwion
Field Marshal
Field Marshal
 
Posts: 4722
-

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by bigrich » 13 Aug 2018, 1:37 pm

on the subject of 6.5x55, 'bout a month ago i traded my 1909 carl gustav on a m38 husky. the m96 gustav had a very used barrel, and my eyes were having trouble with iron sights (commented on this in another post ). the husky was in much better original condition and already drilled and tapped for hilver scope mounts .went out to ripley today with my first batch of handloads, and to also test a vintage weaver K6-1 fixed power scope that came with a 1975 222 winchester 70 i bought. i suspect the weaver is older than the rifle, steel tube, brass fittings for the adjustment screws. apparently after 1973 weaver engraved "micro-track" on them. this scope doesn't have that .i fitted this scope to the m38 cause it sorta-kinda makes it look like a ww2 sniper rifle :lol: what a suprise, the clarity is about on par with my leupold vx-2's ! and it works great ! i won't write of a old scope again ! anyway , the combo works great as photo's show :thumbsup:
Attachments
IMG_0122[1].JPG
142 gr MK's @100
IMG_0122[1].JPG (1.29 MiB) Viewed 48 times
IMG_0121[1].JPG
old school
IMG_0121[1].JPG (990.78 KiB) Viewed 48 times
IMG_0120[1].JPG
vintage swede sniper ?
IMG_0120[1].JPG (1000.56 KiB) Viewed 48 times
bigrich
Staff Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
 
Posts: 730
Queensland

Re: 6.5x55 Swede

Post by Midwestman » 19 Aug 2018, 4:08 pm

i maybe be bias but i think the humble ol swede is the best round,i first bought mine when i was 19 and i'm 47 now,i've owned a heck a lot of guns and calibers,but as far i'm concerned the swede is my favourite and more accurate then anything i've owned,also dispatched every animal in oz with it from making paddock pizza on a rabbit,too taking a camel and buffalo with in the Territory used everything from 90gr too 156gr,and whatever's in the scope becomes history,and it's always my go too gun,except for that stupid sambar law in Victoria which is total BS,i've shot many with it in NSW and they drop just as well as when i use 30/06 across the border,i actually think the swede has slightly better penetration maybe because off the long thin bullet??? But cut a long story short I DO LOVE MY SWEDE.
carl gustov 03 mauser 6.5x55
savage 223
Midwestman
Private
Private
 
Posts: 29
New South Wales

PreviousNext

Back to top
 
Return to Calibres, cartridges and ballistics