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585 Hubel Express

Post by Baz460 » 19 Oct 2018, 5:37 pm

Anyone on the forum know of a member with 585 Hubel Express.

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Post by Stoney » 20 Oct 2018, 10:44 pm

I just googled it. Holy Sh*t. 750 grain projectile :o :o :o. :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Post by TassieTiger » 24 Nov 2018, 5:17 am

Looks like it tickles a little
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Re: 585 Hubel Express

Post by Baz460 » 24 Nov 2018, 7:10 am

Awesome round though.
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Post by Daddybang » 24 Nov 2018, 8:18 am

Stoney wrote:I just googled it. Holy Sh*t. 750 grain projectile :o :o :o. :shock: :shock: :shock:


And doing 2800fps!!!!
F@#k me that'd do a little bit of internal rearranging!!!!
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Post by Stix » 24 Nov 2018, 8:44 am

Gees...that guys shoulder looks like a floppy dead rabbit behind that thing...!!!
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Ill just watch...!! :lol:
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 24 Nov 2018, 10:52 am

Apparently there were some members with these, but their guns beat them to death, one shot at a time :lol:
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Post by TassieTiger » 24 Nov 2018, 11:57 am

I just heard one being shot....
In WA...
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 24 Nov 2018, 1:45 pm

TassieTiger wrote:I just heard one being shot....
In WA...


Probably been confiscated by now :roll:
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Post by DingaLing » 07 Mar 2019, 10:26 pm

Howdy Bud

I don't know if they're a member on this site but I know some one with a 585 Hubel Express
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Post by mickb » 17 Apr 2019, 9:26 am

I knew Ed hubel in the 2000's. I had one of the earlier 585 nyati based wildcats over at accuratereloading.com when the internet was starting out in the late 1990's. There were a few of us getting them done, a couple of Aussies, yanks and quite a few scandinavians suprisingly. At that point the 577 Trex was still the most powerful as it used a larger case head than the nyati designs, unless you went to a full 3.25" nyati case length( which bertrams came in as basic cylindrical) you couldn't get to trex capacity and I dont think anyone went that long as you were running into magazine length problems in big bore actions. I think a Nyati ran about 185 grains water capacity with 1.8" length to case mouth, the 3" versions about 200, the Trex always ran about 215-22grains. This also depended on the brass thickness. The short nyati would max out around 2550fps with 750 grain, mine would theoretically run about 2620 from a 25" barrel. The fastest I ever saw a Trex pushed live was by the americans Mitch carter and safari hunter Dan mcartney at about 2600fps but the trex still had gas in the tank. I think 2700fps would have been doable.

Then Ed hubel arrived in the early 2000's, his orginal calibres were 458's from memory on extra long basic brass, then he worked up everything from 585's to helping Rob garnick(inventor of the 600 overkill) with high pressure 12ga on BMG brass, then to 4 bore nitros on 20mm vulcan brass. I also corresponded with him when he was developing 10 bore loads from regular shotguns. That is pushing roundballs using original style brass cases to about 4000ftlbs energy like the old blackpowder 10 bore elephant guns. I think the powder was vihtavurori N110 and it kept pressures within shotgun levels (with strong shotguns) but dont quote me( or try this at home!).My memory is fuzzy but I seem to recall Ed's marketing figures for the 585 hubel were taken using a very long barrel.... I think I once asked him on the forums the actual case capacity to mouth and dont seem to think it was actually more than 577trex brass. I sold him a bunch of 585 cases and old 585 dies at one point and a few of us suggested he needed to select one of his big game cartridge , get it made into a nice safari gunand really market it. The monster franken-guns are interesting but most were prototypal and the average person would not be able to get them up and running.
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Post by hubel585 » 27 Jul 2019, 4:25 am

Ed Here- Glad to be on this forum. My testing with 585 was with 28" barrel.
Got a 750 gr to 2800, It was a rough barrel, Vestals here in the states got
a 750 gr almost 2800 in a 22" good, fast barrel, The first 585 in AUS was
on a Ruger #1, It killed the first buff there done in by a 585 HE,
Bertram there has barrels of cases, I have cases here, and
there is a Bertram importer in Utah that get more here as needed,
There are about 60-70 guns world wide and guys doing more...Ed
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Post by Tank » 27 Jul 2019, 12:07 pm

Baz460 wrote:Awesome round though.


For what!?

I’m rather fond of 25lb howitzers too....but....for what?
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Post by hubel585 » 27 Jul 2019, 12:23 pm

What!! for great fun!!!..

The #1s are only 10-12 lbs..Most bolt guns about 3 more lbs.

And can be loaded down to hunting speeds, about 2500 good load,

I've tested it with nearly every powder ever made for rifles.,

One guy did single in a NEF, runs 650gr and lighter at 2400 max...Ed
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Post by mickb » 30 Jul 2019, 2:25 am

Hi Ed, we were just talking on accurate reloading about Putin :) I don't use my real name here. Glad to see you made it onto these forums mate. Better subjects than politics anyway.
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Post by rrob » 30 Jul 2019, 11:22 pm

I have a .585 Enfield made up by Ed. It weighs in at 18 lbs as I shoot pretty heavy powdercoated cast bullets one weighing 780 grain, and the other comes in at 1150 grains. Makes for world class recoil. Sorry tried to post a picture of my bullets to give you an idea but can't seem to do it.If you can help me post a picture, you all might get a kick in seeing what a 2 ounce plus bullet looks like. As I live in Hawaii and few dinosaur here, I use my .585 Hubel to shoot pigs as they run downhill. If you hit them right they cartwheel 8 feet in the air,great fun . Decades of tropical sun makes us a little screwy after a while, alas the price of living in paradise.
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Post by in2anity » 01 Aug 2019, 10:44 am

rrob wrote:I have a .585 Enfield made up by Ed. It weighs in at 18 lbs as I shoot pretty heavy powdercoated cast bullets one weighing 780 grain, and the other comes in at 1150 grains. Makes for world class recoil. Sorry tried to post a picture of my bullets to give you an idea but can't seem to do it.If you can help me post a picture, you all might get a kick in seeing what a 2 ounce plus bullet looks like. As I live in Hawaii and few dinosaur here, I use my .585 Hubel to shoot pigs as they run downhill. If you hit them right they cartwheel 8 feet in the air,great fun . Decades of tropical sun makes us a little screwy after a while, alas the price of living in paradise.

if you're using an iphone, try taking the photo in SQUARE mode - the resolution is inherently lower and thus likely to be under the attachment size limitations. otherwise you need to compress the image a bit more somehow - there's lots of ways to do this
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Post by Baz460 » 04 Aug 2019, 2:42 pm

Got my new rifle decision sorted out thanks fellas, I got a CZ 550 Custom Safari 505 Gibbs.

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Post by hubel585 » 08 Aug 2019, 6:25 am

quote--what a 2 ounce plus bullet looks like

Yep and here we also use 585 Minie bullets at high speed for deer, target and

exploding 15 gal water barrels... 540 gr over 3000 is explosive., and as long

as speed is way up there is no leading with hard alloy bullets.. Ed

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Post by hubel585 » 17 Sep 2019, 11:23 pm

Got guys doing various 416 HEs..

One just built a 416 HE, just been testing it a few days..

And using 168gr of HBMG 475 gr CEB, tested it, in good

conditions, 2 shots at 1800 yards and was within

a 1/4 of minute accuracy...A few shots at shorter ranges

had same accuracy. Ed..
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Post by hubel585 » 24 Nov 2019, 7:02 pm

More about our 416 HSM from BMG brass, and
our 416 HE & 460 HE from our 585 HE cases
Got reamers for 375 HE, 416 HE and 416 HSM,....

460 HE & 460 HSM are all spec'd, got HE reamer
soon have HSM reamer...Our HSMs have a Wea type
radius on the shoulder..

The fellow that set up our 416 HE in an ELR rifle
and got 1/4 min accuracy,
They got some game out west over 1400 yds..
.Here is the gun they set up.
Using a K&P 34" barrel on a BAT action.....Ed

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Post by hubel585 » 24 Nov 2019, 7:05 pm

Here is our 416 HSM next to Barrett...

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Post by hubel585 » 25 Nov 2019, 10:40 am

The 416s for long range, HE and HSM......
Guy did a 416 HE, this fall, in testing it
in good conditions, and had
a 1/4 of minute accuracy...

More about our 416 HSM from BMG brass, and
our 416 HE & a 460 HE from our 585 HE cases
Got reamers for 375 HE, 416 HE and 416 HSM,....

460 HE & 460 HSM are all spec'd, got HE reamer
soon have HSM reamer...Our HSMs have a Wea type
radius on the shoulder..

The fellow that set up our 416 HE in an ELR rifle
and got 1/4 min accuracy,
They got some game out west over 1400 yds..
.Here is the gun they set up.
Using a K&P 34" barrel on a BAT action.....Ed

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Post by SCJ429 » 25 Nov 2019, 8:23 pm

Thanks for sharing, I remember reading about your work on Accurate Shooter. Interesting muzzle break on the Bat actioned rifle.
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Post by hubel585 » 28 Nov 2019, 1:51 am

And have 460 HSM specs figured out, the impetus for that is some
asking about one, and new, great line of 458 bullets CEB now has.
It will hold more powder than the 416 HSM.....Ed..
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Post by hubel585 » 24 Jan 2020, 7:07 pm

The guys that did the super accurate 416 HE did another
416 HE that has an 8" longer 42 inch K&P barrel..

Used a Stiller action and same load with 475 gr bullet, as in
first gun and and gained about 200 fps with good accuracy.
3065 fps. Tested 2 groups of 3 and less than 1/2 min moa.

And loads they used are not the highest speed loads
the cartridge is capable of....Here is print with specs for
the 416 HE reamer chamber ....Ed....

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Post by hubel585 » 12 Feb 2020, 12:15 am

More about he guys that did the accurate 416 HE, they did a
416 HE that has an 8" longer 42 inch K&P barrel..

Used longer barrel and the same load with 475 gr bullet, as used
in the first gun and and gained about 200 fps with good accuracy,.
3065 fps. Tested 2 groups of 3 and less than 1/2 min moa.

And loads they used are not the highest speed loads
the cartridge is capable of....Here is picture.......Ed....


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Post by hubel585 » 13 Jul 2020, 11:42 am

Here is print with chamber reamer specs for the
416 HSM chamber..There are 3 base sizes we have,
depending on actions used. Got reamers for all 3..
Got cases for all of them..
Our cases are public domain, so that is why I post
info and specs. Manson makes reamers I use,,, Ed.

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Post by hubel585 » 26 Jul 2020, 5:43 am

Here is reamer print with chamber reamer specs for
the 460 HSM chamber .Couple guys getting set
to do 38-40 inch heavy 458 target barrels...Ed....
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Post by hubel585 » 05 Aug 2020, 12:05 pm

HERE is 585 HE guy put in the Choate stock..Ed.
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