250 savage

[bigrich]

So 250 savage isn't the same length as 22-250?

Overall length is longer due to bigger projectile , case length is same overall, shoulder is a poofteenth longer on the 22-250 so you can push it back when resizing to the 250 savage.The max overall length for the 250 savage is 2.515”, the dummy in the pic is 2.532” . Might get mine longer throated when the chamber is cut. COL for the 22-250 is 2.350” . According to my hornady bible anyway. The case in the pic is 10 thou under minimum trim length, but once fire formed should grow a bit. Cause of the case taper the 250 savage can need regular trimming when pushed hard apparently. Been doing a lot of research on American forums on this caliber.

[bigrich]

I just realised the 250 sav is actually the parent case of the 22250 Remington

That’s the attraction for me to this caliber. Good brass supply. Much simpler than making 257 bob brass. Necking up 6mm rem brass is the easiest way to make bob brass, but how often do you see 6mm REM brass around. Sizing down 7x57 is the other option, but I haven’t seen that around new in store for years. With modern 250 savage hunting loads I should be able to equal the bob. I’ll use mild loads in my comp to fire form basically. Reload hotter for trips out to the paddock.

[bigpete]

So 250 savage isn't the same length as 22-250?

Overall length is longer due to bigger projectile , case length is same overall, shoulder is a poofteenth longer on the 22-250 so you can push it back when resizing to the 250 savage.The max overall length for the 250 savage is 2.515”, the dummy in the pic is 2.532” . Might get mine longer throated when the chamber is cut. COL for the 22-250 is 2.350” . According to my hornady bible anyway. The case in the pic is 10 thou under minimum trim length, but once fire formed should grow a bit. Cause of the case taper the 250 savage can need regular trimming when pushed hard apparently. Been doing a lot of research on American forums on this caliber.

Yes case length of the 250 savage is about half a millimetre longer. Just in your photo it looks quite a bit longer. Must be perception perhaps? Got me worried that its not as easy as I though lol

[bigrich]

So 250 savage isn't the same length as 22-250?

Overall length is longer due to bigger projectile , case length is same overall, shoulder is a poofteenth longer on the 22-250 so you can push it back when resizing to the 250 savage.The max overall length for the 250 savage is 2.515”, the dummy in the pic is 2.532” . Might get mine longer throated when the chamber is cut. COL for the 22-250 is 2.350” . According to my hornady bible anyway. The case in the pic is 10 thou under minimum trim length, but once fire formed should grow a bit. Cause of the case taper the 250 savage can need regular trimming when pushed hard apparently. Been doing a lot of research on American forums on this caliber.

Yes case length of the 250 savage is about half a millimetre longer. Just in your photo it looks quite a bit longer. Must be perception perhaps? Got me worried that its not as easy as I though lol

it's looking as easy as 358win from 308 brass . you lose a little neck length in sizing up the neck (10 thou) , but fire forming and brass flow should correct this . 22-250 and 250 savage cases are both 1.912" long overall, the side of the case to where the shoulder starts on the 22-250 is 1.315", the 250 savage is 1.200". so it pushes back the shoulder on the 22-250 0.115", so the reformed 250 case should head space OK . i think . a lot of guys just resize and go according to yank forums

i love having a new project

[Blr243]

I have some lapua 22250 brass I’m not useing . I can’t remember if it’s primed or maybe I loaded it up but never used it. Bought it brand new on special from cleavers but I never ended up pursuing the 22250. I bought it as a flat shooting cat and fox gun but realised I’m better carting my 243 on the quad in case I run into bigger game. And now years later I have gone back to a 223 as my focus is on Roos and dingoes. Life is an evolving process of change and spending money

[bigrich]

After more internet research, I went a found a random hornady 6.5 man-bun case I picked up at the range, and ran that through my FLS 250 die. Perfectly formed with out thining of the neck and it’s over length so can be trimmed back to correct case length. I’m led to believe necking down eliminates donuts, so long as the neck doesn’t thicken up too much. I’m measuring 15 thou neck thickness with the resized 6.5 brass. I think sizing up the 22-250 bras resulted in 13 thou neck thickness. I’ll have to double check when I get another case to try. One rabbit hole is if using 6.5CM brass is there’s the option to resize small rifle primer brass . Would there be any gains to doing this I wonder ?

edit . i may have the donut theory arse about . more research.....

[bigrich]

Life is an evolving process of change and spending money

Ain’t that the truth! At least spending it on cars or guns there’s something to show for it . Ha ha

[bigrich]

this morning i reviewed making 250 savage brass from 6.5cm . initial results aren't good . neck thickness varies .016" - .013" . seated a 100 speer fb to bottom of the neck, col 2.600" . rolled it on my bench and she's wobbly . the neck ain't real straight to the case . scratch that idea looks like necking up 22-250 is the go . either that or buying proper hornady brass , which ain't cheap . however i have found a guy who cleans, anneals, resizes and neck turns new or once fired range brass into obsolete calibers . spoke to him last week and he's got proper forming dies apparently . might give this a go . uses ppu or sako 308 brass to form 250 savage

[bigrich]

i looked into resizing 22-250 cases further , FLS some PPU second hand brass from my local range .cleaned in a media tumbler, lots of hornady "one shot" case lube and through the FLS 250 die . resulted in .013" neck wall almost all the way around . one spot was .012" . sounds pretty good to me , the ppu 22-250 cases neck wall thickness measures .014"-.013" . if anything the case i resized was more consistent in it's wall thickness . until i get the rifle done and have some new hornady 250 savage cases to compare too . i won't cry "eureka" just yet. i think 250 savage brass is a little on the thin side compared to modern cases like the 308 , once i get the hornady brass i can compare . planning to use loads from this brass as a baseline to compare accuracy . i did the same with my 358win . my 308 resized cases in that caliber showed no difference to starline made 358 cases . it's looking good bigpete ........

[bigpete]

( Monty Burns voice ) Excellent.......

[bigrich]

( Monty Burns voice ) Excellent.......

“Smither’s I want that man k!lled……”

[straightshooter]

I don't understand what all the anguish with resizing 22-250 brass is all about, especially new brass.
All you need is the lightest smear of light oil inside the neck and preferably use a Hornady die with an elliptical expander ball and only go deep enough to expand the neck. Only full length resize if you are using fired brass.
Except for the neck, the case dimensions of the 22-250 and the 250 Savage are identical for a good reason;
I have made 250 brass from 308 Win brass but it involves a lot more work with a few failures due to shoulder collapse and folds. Also neck turning is needed thus introducing the possibility of donuts.
If you use 22-250 brass any of your donut worries can be attended to at Krispy Kreme.

[bigrich]

I don't understand what all the anguish with resizing 22-250 brass is all about, especially new brass.
All you need is the lightest smear of light oil inside the neck and preferably use a Hornady die with an elliptical expander ball and only go deep enough to expand the neck. Only full length resize if you are using fired brass.
Except for the neck, the case dimensions of the 22-250 and the 250 Savage are identical for a good reason;
I have made 250 brass from 308 Win brass but it involves a lot more work with a few failures due to shoulder collapse and folds. Also neck turning is needed thus introducing the possibility of donuts.
If you use 22-250 brass any of your donut worries can be attended to at Krispy Kreme.

thanks very much for your insight on this mate . no real anguish as such , just being thorough . and i'm a little OCD over the technical aspects
dunno how they'd respond at krispy kreme if i walked in with shell casings but......

how did you find the 250 savage ? specifically accuracy and suitable game weights ? i'm thinking about getting my chamber long throated by about 50 thou . do you have any opinions you'd like to share ? cheers

[straightshooter]

My setup is this.
25/303 Sportco #4 with open sights only is now only loaded with 75 grain HP projectiles and doesn't get much use. I keep it for sentimental reasons.
250 Savage is loaded with 87, 90 and 100 grain Hornady or Nosler projectiles as the whim takes me. Trouble with those projectiles, at least the ones I have stockpiled , is they are made for North American hunting and mostly are too hard for suitable to the caliber Australian game such as pigs and goats even at close range like 80 meters where they will sail through with not much noticeable expansion. Except as noted this caliber is a perfectly adequate for up to 200 meters without having to aim off. This rifle doesn't and won't get much use because it's worth way too much money.
25-06 is loaded with 100 grain or 115 grain Nosler Partition. I have stockpiled enough of these for any anticipated future hunting needs. This setup works well for any suitable game out to 250 meters without aiming off and sometimes if I guess right even a lot further.
I would suggest you think through carefully lengthening the throat. With a small case capacity there is almost nothing to be gained if you stick with sane chamber pressures. For a variety of reasons a throating job such as you describe, if not done perfectly, can very easily be detrimental to accuracy which can be very disappointing if you enjoy good accuracy to start with.

[bigrich]

My setup is this.
25/303 Sportco #4 with open sights only is now only loaded with 75 grain HP projectiles and doesn't get much use. I keep it for sentimental reasons.
250 Savage is loaded with 87, 90 and 100 grain Hornady or Nosler projectiles as the whim takes me. Trouble with those projectiles, at least the ones I have stockpiled , is they are made for North American hunting and mostly are too hard for suitable to the caliber Australian game such as pigs and goats even at close range like 80 meters where they will sail through with not much noticeable expansion. Except as noted this caliber is a perfectly adequate for up to 200 meters without having to aim off. This rifle doesn't and won't get much use because it's worth way too much money.
25-06 is loaded with 100 grain or 115 grain Nosler Partition. I have stockpiled enough of these for any anticipated future hunting needs. This setup works well for any suitable game out to 250 meters without aiming off and sometimes if I guess right even a lot further.
I would suggest you think through carefully lengthening the throat. With a small case capacity there is almost nothing to be gained if you stick with sane chamber pressures. For a variety of reasons a throating job such as you describe, if not done perfectly, can very easily be detrimental to accuracy which can be very disappointing if you enjoy good accuracy to start with.

wise words mate . i've looked into the negatives of long throating the chamber , gotta have faith in my smith i guess . loaded to listed COL , 100gn speer are a fair way into the case . seated, a 87 speer flat base level with the bottom of the neck is 2.500" COL . 70 thou off the lands is where i want to be when seated at this length . this is the shortest projectile i want to use . speer list the COL as 2.465" . the max for this cal is 2.515" , originally housed in the short mag of the 99 savage . so not increasing it greatly , 50 thou should do it . at this stage i'm investigating this idea of long throating , nothing set in stone yet , 100's are the main projectile i want to use , and seated to listed col they take up a bit of room in the case .
extending the throat is a common thing to do with the 257bob when used in a 98 or 30-06 long action apparently.

i had weird performance from nosler BT's in my 30-06 . pin holes close in , great expansion at distance . the opposite of what a lot of projectiles do .
I'll have to see how the rifle likes them , 87,100 gn FB speers , 100gn game kings, are what i'm thinking of . i've gotta barrel on it's way , so the bits are coming together

[bigpete]

I hate a bad throating job....

[bigrich]

I hate a bad throating job....

firearms pete, firearms

[bigrich]

Well, finally got my rifle back from my smith, trying out some loads with reformed 22-250 brass tomorrow. 87 and 100 gn speers with starter loads of 2208 . The only catch is the bloody rifle has extraction issues. Back to the smith for a sako extractor soon. In the meantime I made up some “hooks” to pull out the cases if needed. I bought the rifle as a donor action and never fired it so I didn’t know about this issue. Beware buying older rem 700’s i guess

[bigrich]

Well things didn’t go too badly today. With ADI starting loads 2208 wasn’t that flash, but I wasn’t expecting too much seeing as how I’m fire forming cases. But 2206h starting load was reasonably impressive. Except for a flier, the first four rounds went around half inch at 100 yards. Thinking I’ll use this as a comp load and do fire forming , and develop hotter hunting loads for paddock use from the formed cases. From what I’ve read modern action loads aren’t far behind the 257 Roberts from the efficient little savage case. I’d put up pics, but my f@eking stupid iPhone won’t play ball. Honestly I could just throw these damn phones at a wall, jump on it, then for good measure throw it under a B double

[Blr243]

There’s an app called compress. Easy with photos even for a primate like me

[bigpete]

Getting more and more tempting to convert my 22-250 to 250 savage and use iron sights on it

[bigrich]

There’s an app called compress. Easy with photos even for a primate like me

mate, i'm that cave man i don't have apps on my phone . but i'll try to get it as i really want to share my new toy with everyone on here . my rem didn't have too many extraction issues during fire forming , but enough that i will need the sako extractor . i had to get that done on my 222 , but it was flinging cases into my scope and bouncing back into the mag . cut one coil of the plunger spring and it's been reliable ever since . not perfect, but reliable . the speed of opening the action and pulling the bolt back makes a difference . i've been researching rem 700 extraction/ejection issues and they can be fussy things at times . lots of american smiths tune this function in rems with different springs and plungers . i'd build on a weatherby/howa rifle , but their a bit heavy for offhand shooting compared to the rem 700 . it's just the perfect weight and balance for me . tikka's are really good , but top feed mags are less fussy for me .

now , back on topic, i've got formed cases , so warmer loads will be tested in coming weeks . 87 and 100gn speer hotcor's show accuracy potential , and their cheap as premium bullets go, i've also got 85 and 100gn nosler bt's to try . supposedly these are silly accurate and the 100gn bt are a good "all round" bullet that handle pigs well . the nosler's expand well but not too rapidly in the 250. has something to do with their design for use in the faster 25-06 . apparently from everything i've read , 2206h works with 1-14 twist 250 savage , 2208 for 10 twist . some crossover with the 85's with powder choice . man i've got some load work to do .

might have to buy a 22wmr and just go shoot sh!t and not worry about cases and reloading

[Blr243]

Don’t , I did and I never use it.

[bigpete]

Don’t , I did and I never use it.

Best. Buy. Ever.

[Die Judicii]

Well things didn’t go too badly today. With ADI starting loads 2208 wasn’t that flash, but I wasn’t expecting too much seeing as how I’m fire forming cases. But 2206h starting load was reasonably impressive. Except for a flier, the first four rounds went around half inch at 100 yards. Thinking I’ll use this as a comp load and do fire forming , and develop hotter hunting loads for paddock use from the formed cases. From what I’ve read modern action loads aren’t far behind the 257 Roberts from the efficient little savage case. I’d put up pics, but my f@eking stupid iPhone won’t play ball. Honestly I could just throw these damn phones at a wall, jump on it, then for good measure throw it under a B double

That's the VERY GOOD REASON why I don't try to post articles/pictures etc by using my phone.

[Oldbloke]

Bigrich,

All you need to do is text the pic to yourself.
Then download the pic. Texting automatically shrinks them, usually from 100kb to 400kb.
Then just insert it into EG in the usual way.

Special apps not required.

[bigrich]

Well OB is not just a pretty face. My pics have been compressed and accepted for upload onto the forum. Thanks OB .
My smith matte blued my rifle. I wanted it gloss blued, but the matte has grown on me . It looks kinda sexy…..

[bigrich]

Don’t , I did and I never use it.

Blr playing the angel on my shoulder, saying “don’t do it”

[bigrich]

Don’t , I did and I never use it.

Best. Buy. Ever.

Bigpete , the devil on the other shoulder saying “do it , ya know ya want too…”

[bigrich]

hey guys contemplating my reloads, any thoughts on seating depth ?