Scrub Bull Cartridge

[Chronos]

the search is over fellas, i saw this one and thought of you Mecca



CZ550 Safari Magnum in 458 LOTT, load it upp with 450gr solid at 2400fps and you've got nearly 6000 foot pounds of energy.

an old saying comes to mind, the hunter fires, both the animal and the hunter hit the deck. the first one to his feet wins

http://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=39380

Chronos

[wrenchman]

How big do scrub bulls get I have the idea of the size to your water buff and I would say something big if they compare in size.

[MeccaOz]

the search is over fellas, i saw this one and thought of you Mecca



CZ550 Safari Magnum in 458 LOTT, load it upp with 450gr solid at 2400fps and you've got nearly 6000 foot pounds of energy.

an old saying comes to mind, the hunter fires, both the animal and the hunter hit the deck. the first one to his feet wins

http://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=39380

Chronos

Laffin I wonder If I'll have a shoulder left ?????

Well Wrenchman, they can be huge beasts of things ... And meaner

[Prios]

Definitely the kind of gun you don't want to miss with,

Wouldn't be looking forward to that second followup shot

[MrClark]

Would the .338 WM do a good job on em? I chose it for Sambar hunts over in VIC as it shares the same trajectory as your .308's and .30-06's but it'd be handy if I could take it up NT as well.

The old "what's a suitable buffalo cartridge" is an ongoing and heated argument. Anything from the .270 to .5+ calibres depending on who you ask.

.338 WM will do it. Personally I wouldn't go any lower than that for a regular Buffalo rifle.

Anything left of those deer after you hit them with it?

guess the old "shot placement" is king here.

Hahaha havent hit a deer with it yet, but Sambar is what its for, not much left of the shoulder hahaha

[yoshie]

9.3x62 would get my vote. 338WM has another level of recoil. The best cartridge for shooting big game would be the biggest one you can shoot actually without flinching. For some that's 308, others 458.

[jordy]

Hahaha havent hit a deer with it yet, but Sambar is what its for, not much left of the shoulder hahaha

Or the shoulder on the other side I reckon

[wrenchman]

Is there a minimum caliber for scrub bulls

[Grrzrr]

Not legally here no. I don't believe so.

It's only deer here that we have legal requirements for calibre.

For buff we're left to choose an appropriate calibre ourselves.

[Wobble]

Is there a minimum caliber for scrub bulls

Some good talk on suitable buffalo calibres by some of the guys if you were interested.

Mixed in with a bit of other info but plenty there.

[troyboy]

Haven't had the chance yet to shoot a buff but I have knocked plenty of bulls with a .270 and .308. I know an old rigger that use to do a lot of bore running on the stations he worked on and he has shot hundreds of bulls with his .308. Might be a little small to consistently shot buffs tho.

[brett1868]

How about one of these ?

[MeccaOz]

Laffin .... be fun

[1290]

Well brett1868, you might be a small person with small hands, a dwarf and that there be a 30-ought....

[agentzero]

Somebody's 2 year old holding a .223 even maybe?

[Bennybigbores]

Only real option here is the 585HE
Google it.........
Only one custom made in Australia so far, I think you should make it two.
Awesome looking complete overkill, it looks like a 12g had sex with a .50cal BMG.

[MeccaOz]

585HE

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/ ... es-122363/

[Bennybigbores]

So Mecca whens your 585 HE turn up, pretty wild looking round have to remortgage the house to go hunting for the weekend but who can put a price on fun and fire power!

[MeccaOz]

So Mecca whens your 585 HE turn up, pretty wild looking round have to remortgage the house to go hunting for the weekend but who can put a price on fun and fire power!

LMAO .... I think Im going to have to be some older womans toyboy before it happens mate

[wrenchman]

i have been reading about the 404 jeffery that would be fun to try on a scrub bull. but they are hard to get here and i have never seen one.

[wrenchman]

i love old guns and rounds give me blue metal and hard wood any day

[1290]

i have been reading about the 404 jeffery that would be fun to try on a scrub bull. but they are hard to get here and i have never seen one.

Hard to get in the USA because its BRITISH! you know, those red coats.... and apparently you guys have a deep seated aversion to anything Brit...

There are many alternative, the 416 RemMag, is more do-able over there I'd guess, the proj is only slightly smaller than the Jeffo (aka 404 Rimless N.E.), and the case is slighly smaller in volume, but its higher in pressure by about 20%....

If you're going to the trouble of a big/D.G rifle, may as well go bigger though...

[Swarm]

Mate I have the same picture in mind and it will be a 9.3x62Mauser cartridge. There are some pretty good rifles chambered for it and it falls just below the 375H&H in power.

9.3x62 was what came to mind for me too. A very capable cartridge, but not excessive enough that you couldn't use it for smaller things, like deer hunting.

I'm sure many would agree the problem with buying a 'buffalo gun' is it's a pain to shoot for anything other than buffalo where you need it. A 9.3 wouldn't give you this so much. Cheaper to shoot and less recoil than .375h&h as well.

I'll cast a vote for 9.3mm.

[Ed9362]

I have been shooting the 9.3 for a few years. recoil is light for a big game rifle. I shoot it off the bench when im sighting in and it doesn't hurt too much.
I have no experience shooting buff or bulls but I would imagine a 300gn Woodleigh weldcore would give them something to think about.
I usually use ordinary 289 gn roundnose factory ammo. it works on pigs but I think it doesn't expand real well. I often thought about reloading with a better bullet but never got around to it. The way I use it now I rate a 308 with 150gn bullets as a better pig killer

[Ed9362]

aaannnddd I just realised this thread is 3 years old.
doh

[southwest shooter]

88 x 571 mmR best by far for scrub bulls .

[Ed9362]

lol, scrub bulls, shermans, b17s would be quite a versatile shell,
might give gun emporium a call and see if they have one in stock

[bladeracer]

lol, scrub bulls, shermans, b17s would be quite a versatile shell,
might give gun emporium a call and see if they have one in stock

I wanted to import an inert display piece about 25 years ago.
The details are a bit hazy but the $300 shell was going to cost me about $10K to import. It had to be declared inert by an armourer in the US before it could be shipped, had to be shipped to Defence here in Oz and then declared again by them to be inert before I could finally own it. They told me there were maybe two of them in all of Oz at the time as even museums couldn't justify the expense of bringing them in.

[yoshie]

Another vote for 9.3x62

[duncan61]

416 Rigby will slow them down