anyone own a 308 and a 45-70?

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anyone own a 308 and a 45-70?

Post by BangBangSkeetSkeet » 27 Jul 2018, 4:16 pm

I have the best kind of problem. I have a current PTA for a 308 and I know (knew) what I was going to buy. Then I went hunting again for the first time in 30+ years. The property I have access to is huge (and lightly hunted) but there are not too many line of sight shots past about 200m because of scrub, and even when opportunities do present themselves at longer ranges I don't yet feel comfortable taking a hunting shot at a longer distance than 200-250m (others might, more power to you).

My 223 with 55grain OSA factory Gamekings was a revelation and will easily cover the rabbits, roos, foxes, cats and dogs seen over those distances. Most shots taken were 100m or under. Didn't see any pigs this trip but they are there. The 223 is going to be too light-on for most pigs I think. I'd like to target deer in future but that's another property.

I was thinking a 308 because it's versatile but now I'm wondering whether I need that and if I wouldn't be better off with a 45-70. Both will manage pigs and deer up to 200m. The 223 will do anything smaller.

Bigrich started this with his new CVA - I'd like both but can only sneak one into the safe for now. I've fired both calibres and the 45-70 to me is more fun than a barrel of monkeys. I will reload. My son has put in his $0.02 and would like to see a 45-70 lever (I like the Henrys) but I also like the thought of a single.

Having rekindled my hunting interest, I don't really have any desire to range shoot in competitions - I would only be range shooting to practice and for fun in between visits to the farm (at a 1200km round trip maybe 5-8 times per year).

If you have both, but could only pick one, which is it and why? As you can probably tell I'm leaning towards the 45-70 but I'm willing to be told if that's a mistake.
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Post by Noisydad » 27 Jul 2018, 4:27 pm

A .45-70 is never a mistake. Ever!
Check out Hickock45’s videos on single shot .45-70s. He comments that there’s something special about big bore single shot rifles and he’s right! They are quite addictive!
There's still a few of Wile. E Coyote's ideas that I haven't tried yet.
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Post by Pythonkeeper » 27 Jul 2018, 4:51 pm

Hard decision, I’ve got a 308 in the safe and it hardly sees the light of day, it usually gets bypassed for the 30/30 or 243, it’s not that I dislike the 308 I just seem to gravitate towards the others before it.
For my next rifle I think I’m going to go with a 45/70 Marlin lever rifle in one of the big loop versions, I’m in love with my 30/30 Marlin so something similar with more oomph would have to be more awesome right??
Maybe sort out a decent quality budget 308 like a Ruger American or Howa first then work on the 45/70, or go for the big dog straight up if that’s what your heart desires and then work on the 308.....moral of the story though, is you really should get both... :D
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Post by BangBangSkeetSkeet » 27 Jul 2018, 5:02 pm

Oh, I'm pretty sure it will be both, eventually. 8-) In 308, it is (was) going to be a Howa.
For now though, I have one vacant spot in a 3 gun safe (always buy a much bigger safe than you think you'll need! - I wish I'd read that thread here before i bought a safe) :D
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Post by No1Mk3 » 27 Jul 2018, 5:20 pm

G'day BangBangSkeetSkeet,
I have some of both, and would always lean towards the 308 if I was limited to only one. My reasoning is the versatility of the 308 for hunting every type of game animal in Australia, with better accuracy at all practical ranges. The ability to load for specific game with the 308, it ease of carry and use, ease of scope mounting and choice win out over any 45/70. Not as much fun, though. And you must consider fun. Cheers.
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Post by in2anity » 27 Jul 2018, 6:08 pm

45/70 is a lot of gun for a lightweight carry
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Post by Daddybang » 27 Jul 2018, 6:27 pm

A 45/70 will give ya a chubby every time ya shoot it!!!!! :shock: :D :drinks:
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Post by bigpete » 27 Jul 2018, 6:39 pm

in2anity wrote:45/70 is a lot of gun for a lightweight carry

What makes you say that ?
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Post by bigpete » 27 Jul 2018, 6:41 pm

I own both. I must admit I love love love shooting my 45/70 but I tend to think the 308 is a bit more practical in most situations for me
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Post by Wm.Traynor » 27 Jul 2018, 7:06 pm

Buy the one you like and swear by it :thumbsup:
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Post by bigfellascott » 27 Jul 2018, 8:02 pm

My mate shoots heaps of pigs with a 223 and some ol cal (can't think what it is now) it's all about shot placement for the majority of the time. :unknown:
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Post by BangBangSkeetSkeet » 27 Jul 2018, 8:21 pm

Ok, that's interesting as it would extend the useful range of the rifle I already have and like using, my Howa 223 if I could take pigs with it too. I'd always bought in to the view that 223 didn't have the punch for pigs, especially the bigger ones. I had wondered if a slightly heavier pill like the 65 grain Gamekings would get the job done, with proper placement., since the 55 grainers are devastating on lighter game. Anyone tried them on pigs? Or the Hornady TAP in (I think) 70 grain.
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Post by BangBangSkeetSkeet » 27 Jul 2018, 8:27 pm

Thanks for the replies fellas. I think the general consensus is that there's really no wrong answer since they're both good choices. But if I can only get one now (and have to delay getting the other) then the most practical answer is the 308. But the heart wants what it wants
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Post by bigfellascott » 27 Jul 2018, 8:31 pm

Mate I've rolled pigs with a 204, like anything you use it's about placing the shot in the right spot, if ever in doubt poke em in the brain, nothing goes far if whacked there. :D

Personally I would go a 308 out of the 2 cals you are looking at, mainly cos it's cheap to run, easier on the shoulder and better for the longer shots as a rule and you can watch what you hit better than the bigger cal and there's a good range of off the shelf ammo and pills of all different weights to choose from and generally just cheaper to reload.

But end of the day buy what you want to use as both will kill pigs just fine. :thumbsup:
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Post by yoshie » 27 Jul 2018, 8:38 pm

I have a 30/06 and a 444 marlin. In my opinion every safe needs a lever action.
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Post by Pythonkeeper » 27 Jul 2018, 9:10 pm

Mate the 55 grainers should take even large pigs not a problem.
Unless you’re a crack shot I probably wouldn’t advise shooting them on the trot, but a relaxed slow moving/still pig doing its own thing out to a distance you’re comfortable shooting at will be lights out if you hit them in the kill zone.
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Post by Rod_outbak » 27 Jul 2018, 9:31 pm

Heh... Not a .45-70, but a .45-90??

Firstly, my overseer carries a .223 rifle when checking dog traps on his motorbike most mornings, and he shoots a LOT of pigs with it.
55gn V-Max's or Ballistic Tips will nail a pig just fine, if you bother to place the shot.
Overseer seems to have taken a shine to the 55 V-Max's, and was all mopey when I ran out of time the other day, and had to source 100 rounds of 55gn SP factory loads to tide him over, until I can load up some more V-max's for him.
He tells me the V-Max's were pretty impressive for knockdown.

Secondly, a .308 is hard to beat for versatility, as others have said. 110Gn V-max pills are sweet on small game, and I'm finding the 125gn SST loads I'm using at present are seriously destructive , and very accurate for 0-~400 metre shots.
Even a 1:12" twist barrel will nail nigh anything in Australia at distance with some 168gn pills. And there is such a huge range of options for projectiles.
If your .308 has a faster twist, then you have even more options to choose from.

Thirdly, I now have a Winchester 1885 High-Wall in .45-90WCF, and that thing just plants a whacking big smile on your face when you fire it.

For myself, I'd take the .308 first out of those options, any time.
[And then I'd save up and buy a .45-70, and claim it's part of my anti-depression therapy...]
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Post by in2anity » 27 Jul 2018, 10:19 pm

bigpete wrote:
in2anity wrote:45/70 is a lot of gun for a lightweight carry

What makes you say that ?


Well it’s a big pill over crap load of powder :D
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