22LR ammo comparison in Anschütz 1416D (12x shootout)

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22LR ammo comparison in Anschütz 1416D (12x shootout)

Post by Lorgar » 12 Jan 2014, 4:07 pm

After spending a few nights at the range with my new Anschütz 1416D, this is the results I got from a dozen types of ammo. Each photo is a 10 shot group.

If you buy a 1416, here's what you might expect. I'll list from best to worst... No photos for a few soz, so you'll have to make do with numbers.

RWS Club - 0.391"
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rws club
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(no photo soz)
RWS Subsonic HP - 0.45"

(no photo soz)
RWS High Velocity - 0.62"

(no photo soz)
SK Munition Rifle Match - 0.63"

Sellier & Bellot HV HP - 0.67"
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sellier and bellot hv hp
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(no photo soz)
SK Munition Sub-Sonics - 0.76"

Winchester Bushman - 0.79"
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winchester bushman
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Winchester Power-Point - 0.88"
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winchester power point
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CCI Standard Velocity - 0.89"
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cci standard velocity
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Federal Gold Medal - 1.08"
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federal gold medal
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CCI Stinger - 1.14"
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cci stinger
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Winchester Subsonic - 1.3"
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winchester sub sonic 42 max
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Hope that helps a few people.
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Post by petemacsydney » 12 Jan 2014, 5:31 pm

exactly what i was interested in seeing! thanks for the data mate!
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Post by Atter » 12 Jan 2014, 5:45 pm

You sleeping at the range these days, Lorgar?

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Post by Noisydad » 12 Jan 2014, 5:56 pm

Of course the dud ammo in your rifle may suit another perfectly.
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Post by Blackened » 13 Jan 2014, 7:59 am

Noisydad wrote:Of course the dud ammo in your rifle may suit another perfectly.


The CCI standard which is cheap as chips seems to be a favourite for a lot of rifles.

Half the price of some of the "match quality" stuff which doesn't shoot well for plenty of people.
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Post by Gregg » 13 Jan 2014, 8:24 am

Thanks for taking the time to post Lorgar.

Nice round up, I'll give the RWS a go.
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Post by Monty » 13 Jan 2014, 10:16 am

Your Anschutz really loves the RWS ammunition.

RWS Club, Subsonic and High Velocity as the top 3 shooters.
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Post by tripletwo » 14 Apr 2014, 8:17 pm

Sorry to resurrect an old thread...

How many groups did you shoot with each ammo before you picked the best one Lorgar?

If you remember?
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Post by Lorgar » 14 Apr 2014, 8:26 pm

TBH I can't remember exactly how many shots between switching ammo... I did do what I felt to be enough cleaning shots though after switching to a different to a different ammo.

I think I did something like three or four 5-shot groups until it looks like the new ammo had settled in with the barrel after the swap. Then I did four or five 10-shot groups I think and took the best one?

Whatever it was, it felt like enough at the time.
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Post by Warrigul » 06 Jun 2014, 3:52 pm

Noisydad wrote:Of course the dud ammo in your rifle may suit another perfectly.


Yep, Subsonic winchesters are a consistant 5 cent piece sized group at 50m in both my savages.

CCI standards aren't far behind and are the ammo of choice at the range due to the price (always seem to be around $40 for 500).

Anschutz rifles do seem to have a tendency towards prefering expensive ammo.
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Post by 5Tom » 06 Jun 2014, 8:52 pm

I got a Norinco JW15 .22 and it's a 2 - 2.5 MOA shooter.. I've mostly tried Winchester powerpoints 40gr and 42gr, Super speed and Sub-Sonics, CCI, Bushman and Highland. Doesn't really seem to get much better :(

Looks like I got more ammo to try.
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Post by bigfellascott » 06 Jun 2014, 9:13 pm

Maybe give one of these a go - supposed to make bad ammo shoot well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inEmsBcAwho
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Post by Westy » 07 Jun 2014, 7:08 am

bigfellascott wrote:Maybe give one of these a go - supposed to make bad ammo shoot well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inEmsBcAwho


i was almost starting to think this was a great idea untill I saw the Zombie survial guide next to the press!!!! :lol: :D :lol: Thanks Bigfella for the headsup on this haven't seen this before and will look into it a bit more ;)
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Post by bluerob » 07 Jun 2014, 9:22 am

For what it's worth, I find that European manufactured ammo works best in my 1813.

Have tried Center X etc, but, SK Rifle (Pistol also) smashes the centre, unless I do something silly.
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Post by bigfellascott » 07 Jun 2014, 9:53 am

Westy wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:Maybe give one of these a go - supposed to make bad ammo shoot well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inEmsBcAwho


i was almost starting to think this was a great idea untill I saw the Zombie survial guide next to the press!!!! :lol: :D :lol: Thanks Bigfella for the headsup on this haven't seen this before and will look into it a bit more ;)


Not a prob mate, looks like an interesting bit of kit, not sure what they are worth but I guess if you can buy cheap ammo and make it shoot as well as the good stuff which can be 2-3 times as expensive at times it would pay for itself fairly quickly if your into shooting groups etc.
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Post by handofcod » 08 Jun 2014, 8:39 pm

Thanks for comparison!
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Post by Lorgar » 09 Jun 2014, 11:19 am

No worries mate.

I'm well across how much of a pain ammo testing is so if I can save someone the trouble by sharing it's job well done :lol:
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Post by 5Tom » 10 Jun 2014, 6:55 am

That .22lr resize die looks interesting. Might look into it a bit more
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Post by bigfellascott » 10 Jun 2014, 7:01 am

5Tom wrote:That .22lr resize die looks interesting. Might look into it a bit more


It does look interesting hey, I don't know what they cost (did send a email to the address provided but as yet haven't heard anything back), If you do get one let us know how it all goes and what you think etc, to me its not a bad way to make cheap ammo shoot better and as I said if your into shooting targets a lot it would probably work out cheaper over time to buy the cheaper stuff and resize it and get same/similar results to using the expensive stuff.

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Post by Westy » 10 Jun 2014, 7:32 am

bigfellascott wrote:It does look interesting hey, I don't know what they cost (did send a email to the address provided but as yet haven't heard anything back), If you do get one let us know how it all goes and what you think etc, to me its not a bad way to make cheap ammo shoot better and as I said if your into shooting targets a lot it would probably work out cheaper over time to buy the cheaper stuff and resize it and get same/similar results to using the expensive stuff.

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Talked to the older brother yesterday and he said they were a no go in bench rest comp shooting as the bullets have been modified.

Might still be ok for silhouette?
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Post by pucker » 10 Jun 2014, 9:50 am

Westy wrote:Talked to the older brother yesterday and he said they were a no go in bench rest comp shooting as the bullets have been modified.


Odd, how different can you make a .22lr round really?
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Post by bigfellascott » 10 Jun 2014, 10:04 am

Westy wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:
5Tom wrote:That .22lr resize die looks interesting. Might look into it a bit more


It does look interesting hey, I don't know what they cost (did send a email to the address provided but as yet haven't heard anything back), If you do get one let us know how it all goes and what you think etc, to me its not a bad way to make cheap ammo shoot better and as I said if your into shooting targets a lot it would probably work out cheaper over time to buy the cheaper stuff and resize it and get same/similar results to using the expensive stuff.

cheers

Talked to the older brother yesterday and he said they were a no go in bench rest comp shooting as the bullets have been modified might still be a.o.k for Shilloute?????


That's a shame mate, still it would be good for those who like just shooting groups for fun etc and even hunting I guess (seems it can make some pretty decent hollow point ammo out of solids). :D
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Post by 5Tom » 10 Jun 2014, 10:55 am

I normally shoot to hunt so if it improves accuracy, I can't see why not.

I've already tried free-floating and a few different types of ammo.
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Post by Hilux2003 » 28 Jun 2014, 8:37 pm

SSAA benchrest Part C IRB revised 2013 No:8
Section 5.2 Ammunition: must be of lead projectile type in .2LR, commercially available from regular oultets.

Does not say you cannot "modify it yourself" or 'uniform' the rounds!

This is dependant on what "benchrest comp" rules we are talking about.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 28 Jun 2014, 10:32 pm

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Post by veep » 29 Jun 2014, 8:41 am

That guy must have put some serious hours into his 22 ammo.
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Post by Monty » 29 Jun 2014, 8:42 am

Hours? Days more like it.
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Post by Oldbloke » 10 Jan 2015, 3:37 pm

Thanks Lorgar. I found this comparison on the net. There must be 40 different brands of ammo to choose from.

http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of- ... ison-test/
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Post by bigfellascott » 10 Jan 2015, 4:12 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Thanks Lorgar. I found this comparison on the net. There must be 40 different brands of ammo to choose from.

http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of- ... ison-test/


I don't think I'd take too much out of those results, have a look at the target rifle that was used! :lol: quite simply it is a matter of testing the diff ammo in your particular rifle to see what it likes, they are all diff and somewhere in amongst the ammo range will be one your's like to shoot the best, as to whether that is the best for hunting or target work well that's something you'll have to work out for yourself. :thumbsup:
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Post by Oldbloke » 10 Jan 2015, 4:58 pm

5Tom wrote:I got a Norinco JW15 .22 and it's a 2 - 2.5 MOA shooter.. I've mostly tried Winchester powerpoints 40gr and 42gr, Super speed and Sub-Sonics, CCI, Bushman and Highland. Doesn't really seem to get much better :(

Looks like I got more ammo to try.


5Tom. a few things you might like to check-the experts here should be able provide even better info than me.

Check the bedding is close fitting and no "high" spots like screws that are too long touching the barrel.
Try floating the barrel by putting a piece of cardboard or similar material under the front action of just in front of the chamber
Try putting some upward pressure on the barrel by placing a piece of cardboard or similar between the stock & barrel near the tip of the fore end
Check the barrel by first cleaning and then slugging it. Should be uniform
Check the last inch or two of the rifling. This is the critical part of the barrel. Try using a magnifying glass or bore scope or otoscope
Obviously check the scope by exchanging it with another (mounts too)

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