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Post by Farmerpete » 04 May 2019, 1:08 pm

So i somehow managed to get the minister of finance to agree to let me get a new gun :D but i cant decide on wich one iv got it narrowed down to a 7600 in 308 or a marlin guide gun in 45 70 i have some scrubby areas to hunt but also have the need for longer range shots very occasionally i know the 308 fits better but cant seem to pull myself away from the idea of 45 70 my question is:
keeping to a pump or lever platform is there a calibre comprimise of the two (shoots flat but still makes a pigs head explode)
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Post by bladeracer » 04 May 2019, 1:29 pm

Farmerpete wrote:So i somehow managed to get the minister of finance to agree to let me get a new gun :D but i cant decide on wich one iv got it narrowed down to a 7600 in 308 or a marlin guide gun in 45 70 i have some scrubby areas to hunt but also have the need for longer range shots very occasionally i know the 308 fits better but cant seem to pull myself away from the idea of 45 70 my question is:
keeping to a pump or lever platform is there a calibre comprimise of the two (shoots flat but still makes a pigs head explode)
Tia


I think the two rifles are different enough that'd it'd come down to which rifle you prefer rather than the chambering. For close pig work I'd go .45-70 of the two cartridges, but the 7600 offers some advantages, detachable mags for, more capacity, easy unloading and quick change of ammunition, and potential longer-range accuracy with a scope - making it a bit more versatile perhaps.

A lever 12ga with a rifled choke tube maybe?
Or a .30-30 or .44Mag lever.
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Post by bigrich » 04 May 2019, 2:25 pm

Interesting problem. A lot of folks would say buy both, but I think having a all round gun is a better option. 308 or 30-06 pump makes sense I guess. More usable range than the 45-70 . 45-70 can be expensive if you don’t reload . Most of my shots are around 100 yards I guess. I could use my 357 marlin more often, but I take my 6.5x55 almost every time and am glad I did when taking a long shot. If you’re happy to put in the effort to stalk in close, the 45-70 would definitely anchor any game. I’m considering upgrading my 357 to a 44 for a bit more peace of mind with stopping power .
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Post by SCJ429 » 04 May 2019, 2:43 pm

If you choose the 308 you would be predicable, conservative and boring even. My first piece of game harvested with a 45/70 was at 200 metres and the longest was 250 metres. Both shot seated with sticks. Not a single thing I have hit has run off on me. Go the big bore and shoot it often.
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Post by duncan61 » 04 May 2019, 3:27 pm

I have checked the price of ammo and 45/70 is nearly double 308 is this a consideration.308 has a good shove on the shoulder 45/70 boots hard.308 will kill anything in Australia
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Post by marksman » 04 May 2019, 5:22 pm

my suggestion would be a 35 whelen in rem 7600 :drinks:
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Post by GQshayne » 04 May 2019, 7:00 pm

I have hunted pigs for most of my life, mainly with a .243. With suitable projectiles in my handloads, I have never had an issues with it being not "enough gun". The .308 is just a step up from that in my opinion. It is more than enough for pigs, and will have a good trajectory, mild recoil compared to the 45/70, available in many rifles, plenty of ammo to choose from, lots of second hand rifles...…. etc etc etc.

If you can't nail pigs with a .308 then you need more practice.
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Post by Oldbloke » 04 May 2019, 7:25 pm

45/70 is too specialised. Go the 308.
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Post by Wm.Traynor » 04 May 2019, 7:33 pm

A few thoughts from a 7600 0wner
The marlin is much easier to clean. Both are made by Remington which has a dodgy reputation, meaning that you pays your money and you takes your chances (YPYMAYTYC). The Marlin holds more ammo unless your buy an aftermarket mag (YPYMAYTYC).
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Have you considered a decent B/A?
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Post by Farmerpete » 04 May 2019, 7:51 pm

Thanks marksman for the suggestion i did look at 35 whelen but cant really find any large amount / range of 35 cal projectiles i dont mind reloading but casting seems like another level i need to learn to walk first. I did also see henry have released a new lever in 38-55 with a side loading gate but havent looked into availability of ammo or reloading materials
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Post by bladeracer » 04 May 2019, 8:06 pm

Farmerpete wrote:Thanks marksman for the suggestion i did look at 35 whelen but cant really find any large amount / range of 35 cal projectiles i dont mind reloading but casting seems like another level i need to learn to walk first. I did also see henry have released a new lever in 38-55 with a side loading gate but havent looked into availability of ammo or reloading materials


.35 Whelan just uses .358" bullets, same as .38 Special so lots of choices. Hornady do a 200gn Interlock SP that I use in .38 Special.
The .38-55 is a true .38 so I would think bullet choice is limited unless you cast your own. I don't know if you can use .375" bullets in it.

I had a quick look and Hornady, Sierra and Speer don't offer any .378" bullets.
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Post by Farmerpete » 04 May 2019, 8:51 pm

Thanks bladeracer that info helps a lot and it makes 35 whelen viable again it also tells me how much more i have to learn before trying to reload anything i might do the old put all three in a hat and draw trick not for choice but because before i draw ill be hoping for one then i know what to get
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Post by duncan61 » 05 May 2019, 12:48 am

35 Whelan would be an awesome rifle
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Post by bigrich » 05 May 2019, 6:13 am

GQshayne wrote:I have hunted pigs for most of my life, mainly with a .243. With suitable projectiles in my handloads, I have never had an issues with it being not "enough gun". The .308 is just a step up from that in my opinion. It is more than enough for pigs, and will have a good trajectory, mild recoil compared to the 45/70, available in many rifles, plenty of ammo to choose from, lots of second hand rifles...…. etc etc etc.

If you can't nail pigs with a .308 then you need more practice.


30 years ago the 243 was the caliber that everyone had around the Brisbane area of the east coast and was a great “do all” caliber for what game is around. I like 6.5x55 myself as a all rounder. Whatever floats your boat I guess, 45-70 and 35 Whelan are overkill really, it’s more about the “fun factor “ I reckon. I have owned a 45-70 , and they definitely are fun and put a smile on ya dial.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 05 May 2019, 10:38 am

Out of the two, i'd be choosing the .308

Its a far more versatile round, it's a modern design and it has far more options for both factory rounds and reloading.
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Post by Farmerpete » 05 May 2019, 2:28 pm

Thank bigrich you nailed exactly why im so torn on this my first pig was taken with the mighty ruger 10/22 (it was only half grown and took a whole mag but dead is dead) so i know 243 is big enough. As a farmer its more about eradication than hunting which is why i want the pump or lever platform but theres no reason i cant enjoy my work the bonus is ammo and guns and related equipment are all tax deductable :D :D
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Post by grandadbushy » 05 May 2019, 3:02 pm

Well Farmerpete if they're tax deductable why stop at one get a couple mate :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :drinks:
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