Cant decide

[SCJ429]

A bit more not a lot more. The 458 is no powerhouse either. The 450 Rigby sends a 600 grain projectile faster than the 458 can send a 400 grain.

45/70
300 (strong) JHP 2,275 ft/s (693 m/s) 3,449 ft⋅lbf (4,676 J)

458winmag
400 gr (26 g) FN 2,468 ft/s (752 m/s) 5,411 ft⋅lbf (7,336 J)

theres abit in it...

best thing about 458 winmag is getting it reamed to 458 lott, only reason i brought one.
450 rigby sounds like abit of a power house too, just too much alike to what iv allready got.

You need to compare apples with apples or you flatter the 458. The 45/70 shoots a 300 grain pill at 2550 fps, at least my Ruger #1 does, the 458 can squeeze 2750 fps out of it.

You are right about getting a 458 Lott reamer to smarten up the old 458. For me a 45/120 looks much cooler if you want to do the same for your 45/70 chamber. As long as you are having fun with your big bore who cares if someone else can send them a bit quicker.

[marksman]

So after searching through my local gunshops i have two contenders one has a 7600 in 30 06 the other has a big bore winchester 94 in 375 price is about the same both guns are in good condition which one would you get

I would go the 375 out of the two you have there
not that the 06 wouldn't be a practical rifle just I have always wanted a 375 94 big bore

[mickb]

A bit more not a lot more. The 458 is no powerhouse either. The 450 Rigby sends a 600 grain projectile faster than the 458 can send a 400 grain.

Mate I agree my comment was a little facetious towards the 45-70, but 458 is still elephant gun power, 5300tlbs.

For the record 458 win will push a 400 grain about as fast or slightly faster than the 450 pushes a 600. In the region of 2450..

[flutch]

tell the minister for finance that you need a Verney Carron Speedline in 300win. big knocking power, fast shooter, flat and good at long range, devastating at short range, no more recoil than what a 45-70 has... etc etc

[mickb]

You need to compare apples with apples or you flatter the 458. The 45/70 shoots a 300 grain pill at 2550 fps, at least my Ruger #1 does, the 458 can squeeze 2750 fps out of it.

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Well apples to apples mate, the OP is after a guide gun, which are the figures crackers quoted. They can't handle anywhere near the pressures of the Ruger no.1 single shot.

[Oldbloke]

After reading all of the above my shoulder hurts.
Im calling my surgeon for a shoulder reconstruction.

Lol

[in2anity]

After reading all of the above my shoulder hurts.
Im calling my surgeon for a shoulder reconstruction.

Lol

Lol agreed ob - the masochism is running thick and strong around here. Meanwhile I’m heading in the opposite direction!!

[Jeff303]

The 30-06. Hands down

[TassieTiger]

A good mate of mine has 12 firearms including a 45/70 and 30-06 pump...
The 45/70 - whilst a great fun gun - comes out of his safe maybe once a year...if that. It doesn’t really do anything better (or close to) than a more conventional rifle. Its like an artillery trajectory curve with 400+ gns

[SCJ429]

A good mate of mine has 12 firearms including a 45/70 and 30-06 pump...
The 45/70 - whilst a great fun gun - comes out of his safe maybe once a year...if that. It doesn’t really do anything better (or close to) than a more conventional rifle. Its like an artillery trajectory curve with 400+ gns

The WW2 88mm anti tank gun is an artillery piece and with a muzzle velocity of 2,700 fps it shoots flatter than a 30/06 shooting heavier pills.

Your mate needs to get out and enjoy his 45/70 some more. It is great at poking big holes in things.