Cant decide

[in2anity]

Just curious, have you shot a factory load through a 45/70 lever before?

[duncan61]

Good call.I had a stiffy about 416 Rigby till I shot 3 out of the Ruger Safari in the N.T.Now I don't want one

[Farmerpete]

Yes i have shot one before, the kick is half the fun im a pretty big guy so recoil has never been an issue in anything but thanks for checking

[Bruiser64]

Like others have said, get both. You know it makes sense. You could get the .308 in a Browning lever action. And the 45/70 in a marlin lever action. You then get the longer range of the 308 and the sheer unadulterated pleasure (apparently) of the 45/70. A Bloke at work recently got the Marlin 45/70. He has zero regrets about that.

[TassieTiger]

Get the kick of the 45/70 and the speed and versatility of the 308 and just buy the 338 lap...ammo is tax deductible and there isn’t a pig on the planet who is going to argue a second shot.

[bigrich]

It’s come to my attention that marlin are making the 1895 lever in 444 again. Lotta thump factor and they shoot a lot flatter than 45-70. Hmmmm, I might ring around and see about availability. Rebel have have brass and all the gear .

[mickb]

Well you can always rebarrel a 300 win mag BLR to 338 win mag, 416 taylor or 458 win mag. The latter two are elephant gun cartridges, they make the 45-70 wear a maid suit and serve tea to them. The 458 is actually a pretty handy gun, you can load it with the softer jacketed bullets the 45-70 uses and at the increased velocity it tends to open pigs like a book. Thats always a head turner. tt can also load 300-350 grain lighter pointed bullets to 2500fps. Also shop bought cast bullets with light loads of trailboss for the kids to plink subsonics like an overgrown 22LR. Lastly, when the elephant escapes from the circus or a beached whale needs to be put down you can load the real heavy stuff.

[SCJ429]

Bit hard on the 45/70 there Mick, the 458 is only about 200 fps faster than the old girl.

[cracker]

Bit hard on the 45/70 there Mick, the 458 is only about 200 fps faster than the old girl.

..alot more energy behind 458winmag over 45/70

[SCJ429]

A bit more not a lot more. The 458 is no powerhouse either. The 450 Rigby sends a 600 grain projectile faster than the 458 can send a 400 grain.

[cracker]

A bit more not a lot more. The 458 is no powerhouse either. The 450 Rigby sends a 600 grain projectile faster than the 458 can send a 400 grain.

45/70
300 (strong) JHP 2,275 ft/s (693 m/s) 3,449 ft⋅lbf (4,676 J)

458winmag
400 gr (26 g) FN 2,468 ft/s (752 m/s) 5,411 ft⋅lbf (7,336 J)

theres abit in it...

best thing about 458 winmag is getting it reamed to 458 lott, only reason i brought one.
450 rigby sounds like abit of a power house too, just too much alike to what iv allready got.

[Farmerpete]

So after searching through my local gunshops i have two contenders one has a 7600 in 30 06 the other has a big bore winchester 94 in 375 price is about the same both guns are in good condition which one would you get

[SCJ429]

A bit more not a lot more. The 458 is no powerhouse either. The 450 Rigby sends a 600 grain projectile faster than the 458 can send a 400 grain.

45/70
300 (strong) JHP 2,275 ft/s (693 m/s) 3,449 ft⋅lbf (4,676 J)

458winmag
400 gr (26 g) FN 2,468 ft/s (752 m/s) 5,411 ft⋅lbf (7,336 J)

theres abit in it...

best thing about 458 winmag is getting it reamed to 458 lott, only reason i brought one.
450 rigby sounds like abit of a power house too, just too much alike to what iv allready got.

You need to compare apples with apples or you flatter the 458. The 45/70 shoots a 300 grain pill at 2550 fps, at least my Ruger #1 does, the 458 can squeeze 2750 fps out of it.

You are right about getting a 458 Lott reamer to smarten up the old 458. For me a 45/120 looks much cooler if you want to do the same for your 45/70 chamber. As long as you are having fun with your big bore who cares if someone else can send them a bit quicker.

[marksman]

So after searching through my local gunshops i have two contenders one has a 7600 in 30 06 the other has a big bore winchester 94 in 375 price is about the same both guns are in good condition which one would you get

I would go the 375 out of the two you have there
not that the 06 wouldn't be a practical rifle just I have always wanted a 375 94 big bore

[mickb]

A bit more not a lot more. The 458 is no powerhouse either. The 450 Rigby sends a 600 grain projectile faster than the 458 can send a 400 grain.

Mate I agree my comment was a little facetious towards the 45-70, but 458 is still elephant gun power, 5300tlbs.

For the record 458 win will push a 400 grain about as fast or slightly faster than the 450 pushes a 600. In the region of 2450..

[flutch]

tell the minister for finance that you need a Verney Carron Speedline in 300win. big knocking power, fast shooter, flat and good at long range, devastating at short range, no more recoil than what a 45-70 has... etc etc

[mickb]

You need to compare apples with apples or you flatter the 458. The 45/70 shoots a 300 grain pill at 2550 fps, at least my Ruger #1 does, the 458 can squeeze 2750 fps out of it.

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Well apples to apples mate, the OP is after a guide gun, which are the figures crackers quoted. They can't handle anywhere near the pressures of the Ruger no.1 single shot.

[Oldbloke]

After reading all of the above my shoulder hurts.
Im calling my surgeon for a shoulder reconstruction.

Lol

[in2anity]

After reading all of the above my shoulder hurts.
Im calling my surgeon for a shoulder reconstruction.

Lol

Lol agreed ob - the masochism is running thick and strong around here. Meanwhile I’m heading in the opposite direction!!

[Jeff303]

The 30-06. Hands down

[TassieTiger]

A good mate of mine has 12 firearms including a 45/70 and 30-06 pump...
The 45/70 - whilst a great fun gun - comes out of his safe maybe once a year...if that. It doesn’t really do anything better (or close to) than a more conventional rifle. Its like an artillery trajectory curve with 400+ gns

[SCJ429]

A good mate of mine has 12 firearms including a 45/70 and 30-06 pump...
The 45/70 - whilst a great fun gun - comes out of his safe maybe once a year...if that. It doesn’t really do anything better (or close to) than a more conventional rifle. Its like an artillery trajectory curve with 400+ gns

The WW2 88mm anti tank gun is an artillery piece and with a muzzle velocity of 2,700 fps it shoots flatter than a 30/06 shooting heavier pills.

Your mate needs to get out and enjoy his 45/70 some more. It is great at poking big holes in things.