Hornet quandry

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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by Oldbloke » 08 May 2019, 7:00 pm

"I know , I could buy a perfectly good howa pencil barrel 223 for $700 and download it to 22 hornet and use the extra cash to buy some loadin gear and ammo but i dont want to , thanks all the same."

Bad decision. Buy a 222 or 223 and reload. I use both a "normal" and a "hornet" load out of my 223.
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by Stix » 08 May 2019, 7:07 pm

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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by marksman » 08 May 2019, 7:11 pm

the 17 hornet is a very capable round but it does have the problem of crappy factory brass
I make them for a couple of friends in ppu brass no different than I do for my 17 ackleys, these guys both went and bought there 17 hornets after I gave them a few shots fireforming brass at 200 out of one of my 17 ackley's, one had his in 5 days and the other had his in 7 days
the 17 ackley is 2mm longer than the 17 hornet, it was the fox shooters round when the skins were worth money, if you shoot a fox in the chest you have to skin it to find the hole and when you pick up the fox it feels like broken egg shells under the skin

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you have a good handle on what they can and cant do and problems associated
if they were not any good I would not waste my time with them but they are for some and not everyone, works for me

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the 20gr vmax is ok for head shooting rabbits and foxes out to 250 but if you want to shoot anything bigger I would suggest using the 25gr hornady hollow points
I haven't yet tried any of the bergers but expect they would go well
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by bigrich » 08 May 2019, 7:32 pm

I’ve played with trail boss in my hornet, at around 85-90% case fill, 3.6 gn’s ! , i was getting excellent accuracy at 50 yards and 1550fps with a 35 gn vmax and it sounds like a 22 lr. My fast 40 gn load uses 12.5 gn of lil gun for 2750fps. Ya get a lot of reloading out of a container of powder. As fo factory ammo Rem hollow points shot just under a inch at 100 at best,win hp’s have shot well in the past but the last box I bought wasn’t real flash . The only downside with old Brno’s is the extractor doesn’t like top loading, load with the mag or risk breaking it. I’m not sure if this is the same with the Cz 527. My only negative comment on otherwise fine rifles.
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by bigrich » 08 May 2019, 7:44 pm

Another fine old fox round, 17 rem. My own 22 “walk around “ rifle is my model 70 Winchester in 222. The following group was shot by a mate in my rifle with 60 vmax at 100. The 60’s have a trajectory that’s close to my 6.5x55 at 100 and 200 , with 2800fps with 21.5 gn of benchmark 2 . I can get 55’s going faster, but I like the 60’s accuracy and better wind bucking abilities :thumbsup:
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by JimTom » 08 May 2019, 8:00 pm

Nothing wrong with that at all mate. Nice load.
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by bigrich » 08 May 2019, 9:04 pm

JimTom wrote:Nothing wrong with that at all mate. Nice load.


the ole 222 is a nice cartridge that makes good accuracy easy. that group and others like it were shot of a fold out cheapie tripod front rest and a caldwell bean bag under the butt. no lead sleds and viced rests for me ;) it made me mates day when he shot that group . straight after that he shot a perfect clover leaf out of his 222 brno fox , so he was on a roll that morning :D

anyway, back to hornet. the following pic is the trailboss load with 35 vmax at 50

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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by bigrich » 08 May 2019, 9:07 pm

The following is a 3.6 gn T/B load crimped with a 35 vmax
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by Bills Shed » 08 May 2019, 9:43 pm

I own and reload for both the 17 and 22 Hornet. I also run a 223R. For the small critters including foxes the 17 is by far my favourite rifle. If you have heard that the 17H has issues grouping, that is a crock of crapp. The 22h was a bit more work. As for splashing, I have not seen this. Never had a issue. As for poor brass maybe once and I did get some of the the so called doddgy brass but I have shot it many times and with the usual case prep they are fine. If you want , you can neck down 22 hornet brass if you think it would be better. I have made many 17H cases like this.
I do notice the the 22H has more knock down power but a well placed 17 pill kills them just as dead.
As to a 204, noisy bloody thing. Wakes up the world and why burn twice as much powder to make a critter just as dead.
As to getting 17 cal projectiles of heavier weights, I am making 22gn ATM and 25 and 30gn if you want them. Factory projectiles are not too hard to find. You also have the choice of 17gn pills. For the 17H shooting 30s, you loose a lot of velocity but they hit hard and I have used them on goats. The 20gn Max brothers at 20gn you can buy in bulk very cheaply and are an excellent pill. I have tried loading the 17H down but below 1400fps projectile performance is poor so push them hard and make use of the high velocity.
Within its limits there is not too much to like about the little 17H.
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by duncan61 » 08 May 2019, 9:46 pm

I am not sure how long Trailboss has been around but years ago trying to get subsonic loads I put 4gn AS50 behind 80 gn Matchkings in a H&R hornet. My logic was the same barrel is bored for 45/70 so it was not going to blow up.It was quiet but went sideways through the target at 25 metres.I knew nothing about barrel twist.Off topic but I was considering selling my Ruger .222 as I have removed the scope and put it on the .243.This topic has made me change my mind and I have been paid out on a few contracts so now I am going to get a slim scope 6X for the .222 and start playing with subsonic loads.
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by bladeracer » 08 May 2019, 10:07 pm

duncan61 wrote:I am not sure how long Trailboss has been around but years ago trying to get subsonic loads I put 4gn AS50 behind 80 gn Matchkings in a H&R hornet. My logic was the same barrel is bored for 45/70 so it was not going to blow up.It was quiet but went sideways through the target at 25 metres.I knew nothing about barrel twist.Off topic but I was considering selling my Ruger .222 as I have removed the scope and put it on the .243.This topic has made me change my mind and I have been paid out on a few contracts so now I am going to get a slim scope 6X for the .222 and start playing with subsonic loads.


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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by duncan61 » 08 May 2019, 10:38 pm

My first load was 3gn AS50 and the 80gn was halfway down the 22 inch Barrel I learned you can push them out but it takes a bit of effort.Back to the O.P. If he does not get a .222/.223 and download man is a fool.I am pretty sure rifles cost the same regardless of chamber.I bought the H&R Handi rifle cos Hornet was the only centrefire you could get on a low power license in W.A. and on the dairy farm where I lived I shot a lot of foxes.I kept it open sights I could see then
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by straightshooter » 09 May 2019, 8:20 am

As long as you
1. Select a front locking actioned rifle
2. FLS only when necessary
3. Don't get adventurous with pressures (there isn't much brass surrounding the primer)
then you won't encounter any of the hoary horror stories associated with Hornet brass.
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by bigrich » 09 May 2019, 10:45 am

straightshooter wrote:As long as you
1. Select a front locking actioned rifle
2. FLS only when necessary
3. Don't get adventurous with pressures (there isn't much brass surrounding the primer)
then you won't encounter any of the hoary horror stories associated with Hornet brass.


Nothing wrong with a good rear locker, my old 1960’s Krico makes one hole groups all the time, and has a match trigger that’s really like a thin glass rod breaking. The new weihrauch are a modern version of the Krico and are just as good if not better. Some of the old annie’s Can be a little average, depending on action type. At least this has been my experience with these rifles . I had a rebarreled early Brno a while ago in hornet , and it did not shoot that great so it got moved on. I found neck size only had issues with the neck ending up off centre, I partially full length size now with a light crimp and accuracy has been outstanding. I don’t seat close to the lands either which my rifle doesn’t mind. I’ve found it important to have enough of the projectile in the neck to help neck tension to stop “bullet jump” as opposed to seating closer to the lands. And small pistol primers help as well . Hope this helps someone, can’t hurt to try . Cheers
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by Leadspitter » 09 May 2019, 1:03 pm

Thanks for all the help fellas

I feel i will get a 17 as dedicated fox rifle

I am warming to the idea of a 223 to load down for quietness to use on bigger game at full steam.

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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by Bruiser64 » 09 May 2019, 8:42 pm

Leadspitter wrote:Thanks for all the help fellas

I feel i will get a 17 as dedicated fox rifle

I am warming to the idea of a 223 to load down for quietness to use on bigger game at full steam.

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Good call. I think the 17 hornet will be an enjoyable rifle to shoot. The 223 is a very versatile calibre to complement the hornet.
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by marksman » 10 May 2019, 9:47 am

IMHO if you go the 17 hornet you will not need a 223
but I also believe in want so if you want one that is good enough :drinks:
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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by bigrich » 10 May 2019, 12:58 pm

marksman wrote:IMHO if you go the 17 hornet you will not need a 223
but I also believe in want so if you want one that is good enough :drinks:


That’s my problem MM, I want more than I need or can afford :lol:


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Re: Hornet quandry

Post by JimTom » 10 May 2019, 3:59 pm

bigrich wrote:
marksman wrote:IMHO if you go the 17 hornet you will not need a 223
but I also believe in want so if you want one that is good enough :drinks:


That’s my problem MM, I want more than I need or can afford :lol:

Common problem mate. Me too. ;-)
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