300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

[TassieTiger]

Are 300wm reloaders crimping their projectiles? Is it because of the shallow neck?

[flutch]

i dont but im hunting with mine not trying to break long distance records

[SCJ429]

Don't crimp for any of your loads, try and use the least amount of neck tension you can get away with. The short neck is of no consequence.

[TassieTiger]

Cheers for info - die set came with crimper, had me wondering why...

[bigrich]

The only cartridge I crimp is 22 hornet . It does help with accuracy in the hornet by stopping bullet jump. I did have to come back a tiny bit on powder cause of pressure increases due to the crimping. 357 in my lever gun is crimped for obvious reasons. I have tried crimping other cartridges but it was detrimental to accuracy in them so I stopped. I believe some cartridges attain good accuracy from long necks which helps with projectile allingnment and more neck tension. 22 hornet is a example of this as the deeper the projectile is seated in the thin brass necks the more accuracy is gained .22 hornet has been a great learning caliber for me . 222 and 30-06 are a prime example of long necks working well. love my 222. At least this has been my experience, others will have their own opinions and what works for them.

[marksman]

Are 300wm reloaders crimping their projectiles? Is it because of the shallow neck?

the reason for a light crimp is because of the long jump you usually find in factory chambers to get a more even start pressure
if you can get your projectiles to touch the lands and load to the lands its of no benefit
I like a neck tension that will not allow my bullets to be pulled by hand but only just
I do use a light crimp on some rounds and have seen benefit but it's something you will need to play with to see

I have a couple of hundy norma cases that keep calling me "buy a 300wm"
I wont be doing it for a bit as I'm putting money into the boat but maybe after snapper season early next year

[TassieTiger]

I don’t know how cl***** get their prices to the point they do - my lgs showed me how many $$$ they purchase the exact same howa 300wm in varmint 1:10 for and that number is a lot higher whole sale price, than the Cl****** s retail price...pretty crazy really.

I can’t wait for it to turn up and start developing a load...
Next question will me muzzle brake or no muzzle brake...

[Member-Deleted]

It's probably buying power the more you sell the cheaper you can buy them I had the very same problem with steel when I had the workshop I couldn't compete with price compared to the bigger workshops

[TassieTiger]

Yeah - I get that GB to a degree. But when your retail is 40% better than the next persons wholesale - something doesn’t add up. I mean it’s great for consumers but as a previous small business owner, I don’t know how it is survivable

[bigrich]

Yeah - I get that GB to a degree. But when your retail is 40% better than the next persons wholesale - something doesn’t add up. I mean it’s great for consumers but as a previous small business owner, I don’t know how it is survivable

the shop that starts with a big C is about 45 mins up the road from me taz. BIG shop lots of stock. amazing collectables on the wall all around. german flamethrower, bren gun .owen gun . PIAT anti tank launcher , german mp40 , thompson smg ,. the list goes on . i think there's even a mg42 fer christ sake all deactivated and bolted to the wall. then there's the colt room. probably 1/2 a million worth of old original colt peacemakers, 36 navy's , schofield pistols . it easy to spend quite a few hours there. i've heard their besties with THE major importer into this country . mates rates on prices and they buy bulk . that's what i've heard anyway

[TassieTiger]

I have flown up there to check it out - their museum quality walls and displays of old hand guns are bloody fantastic.
Have to watch the slippy floor from everyone’s drool. Lol. One of the better shops to browse.
I got told a similar thing BR. As in, my local shop attended a known scope brand launch where dealers were promised 40-50% wholesale discounts for just attending, but when they got there - thee was no stock left and there was a “preferred” dealer launch a couple days earlier, where all stock was accounted for...only 2 businesses attended the preferred launch. I guess it’s not really a unique situation.

[marksman]

I heard they import themselves so there is your saving especially if you are buying bin bulk at the same time

[TassieTiger]

Best exclusive contacts over seas = huge bargains as you’ve said.
I’m not complaining - just feel a little for competing locals doing it tough.


So next Q - muzzle brake on a 300wm or not worth it ? I’ve watched a couple vids - they tend to to indicate yes for any target work and no for hunting... ?

[Stix]

I heard they import themselves so there is your saving especially if you are buying bin bulk at the same time

That comment might be somewhere around the mark...
(Im so funny--that was completrly intended...!!! )

Ok back to being serious...obviously spot on Marksman They probably import more than the Howa importer...that along with working on a volume turnover mentality, they are cutting out the equivelant of many middle mens'profit out of the equation--also think of freight cost--you pay the freight from them minus probably 5 lots of profit on that freight...

Equals big sales for Mr Japanese Howa man...= large turnover here = good dollars banked (far too many businesses thee days seem to tthink they have an entitlement to "bank a percentage"--reality is you can only deposit "dollars") = savings for Tasmanian mad men = watch out boys...

[TassieTiger]

Mad Tasmanian’s? Says what who - but why? Yes - I think that’s probably appropriate...but then 2 + 3 doesn’t always equal 4, so how does explain what? Be quiet I’m talking. You be quiet. What?

I’ve seen this done with 50bmgs and 338 laps but when it’s right there in front of you...I had to do this...short seated the 223 and long seated the 300 to make the comparison look better lol.

[bigrich]

I heard they import themselves so there is your saving especially if you are buying bin bulk at the same time

I think that is the case MM. but I wasn’t sure so I didn’t post that. The big C has the inside running on all the smaller stores . Best range of in store stock for reloading components is Rebel gun works. All sorts of oddball and old caliber components are stocked. The big C sticks to mainstream stuff. But I get annoyed when online shopping from the big C only to get a phone call saying it’s not in stock would I like to back order ? If Rebel doesn’t have it in stock it says so on their website rather than wasting your time . Inflated prices on their firearms, but components stocked and customer service are very good. JMHO

[SCJ429]

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So next Q - muzzle brake on a 300wm or not worth it ? I’ve watched a couple vids - they tend to to indicate yes for any target work and no for hunting... ?[/quote]

Try it without a break first, rifles are nicer to shoot without breaks.if it is hard to shoot and bouncing around then consider the break. I would try adding some weight to the stock to settle it down and add the heaviest Nightforce scope you can get. The main thing is to practice with it as you need to be desiplined in your shooting to get the most out of it.

[flutch]

Yeah - I get that GB to a degree. But when your retail is 40% better than the next persons wholesale - something doesn’t add up. I mean it’s great for consumers but as a previous small business owner, I don’t know how it is survivable

Same thing over here in WA, One place lets say Ba's and a couple others Be's and SS' and etc all wanted closer to $1500 for a heavy barrel howa 1500 in a boyds thumb stock, CL's did it for me for $795, comes down to a lot of things, but one of the biggest factors is how hungry the store owner is.

[marksman]

I dont believe you need a brake myself but that's not to say you shouldn't

[SCJ429]

Everyone has their own recoil tolerance and better to use a break than be intimidated by a rifle and never shoot it. Practice also builds confidence and you will enjoy shooting it more. I have a 416 with a heavy barrel and some lead in the back of the stock which does not have a break. I do use a break on a 378 WM because it is such a handful without it and it affects my shooting. I also use the 378 mostly shooting prone and it knocks me around without the break and I do not look forward to pulling the trigger.

[Mark]

My mate has just built a 300 norma, Its the latest craze apparently ! Ballistics on paper put it above the Winmag. The other advantage you have is your .260, its got
the same ballistics as the winmag @ 1000m

[TassieTiger]

Wouldn’t ballistics be determined by the load rather than the caliber?

Picked it up this afternoon - 1st impressions are very good. Heavy but solid built...bolt is solid - not tikka smooth yet - but nicely firm.
Ole mate picks up his tikka lite next week - then let the ass kicking begin lol...(one way or the other)
Thanks to Marksman and some back end advice - I might just have a chance of showing this ole boy a comparable group.
Stay tuned. Game on lol.

[TassieTiger]

Mr and Mrs Tiger would like to announce the safe arrival of Holly Howa Tiger, born 11/7/19 at 37 bloody pounds. Lol. Thanks to Godfather MM for his assistance.

[marksman]

I have to say Tassie that I am very envious
I have the money to get one or to buy a new welder that I need to weld some alli parts for the boat and I'm talking myself into not needing the parts
maybe it will be next years mission I think

now is the time to check the rifle out and see if you want to do some tweaks, for example lighten the trigger and lap recoil lugs
getting the bolt to be smooth isn't that hard just polish the raceways
its good that you got the threaded muzzle just in case you want to fit a brake
are you going to let the missus have a crack, I always found that lady's are a bit more recoil tolerant and usually can shoot the bigger cals pretty good
and the fun begins

[SCJ429]

What bullet are you planning to shoot Tassie? I have had success with the 220 ELDX.

[Mark]

Wouldn’t ballistics be determined by the load rather than the caliber?

All the 300's you've named are the same Caliber ! There ballistics are determined by powder weight.
But when comparing ballistics Of different calibers. Its there charge weight vs there projectile weight efficiency.
I have both the 300wm & 260rem, love them both, enjoy your new toy

[TassieTiger]

What bullet are you planning to shoot Tassie? I have had success with the 220 ELDX.

I’ve got some hornady 180’s SST and 168 AMAX coming.
Think I’ll try and sort lower end gns first - jumping in at 200 or 220gn might be deep end holding a rock.

[TassieTiger]

Wouldn’t ballistics be determined by the load rather than the caliber?

All the 300's you've named are the same Caliber ! There ballistics are determined by powder weight.
But when comparing ballistics Of different calibers. Its there charge weight vs there projectile weight efficiency.
I have both the 300wm & 260rem, love them both, enjoy your new toy

Soz, it’s very easy to confuse me on fridays... when you say the 260 and 300wm have the same ballistics - can you give specific examples? If I shoot 180’s in the 300wm - and 120’s in the 260, I cant use the same hold over points - ? I’m missing something...lol

[SCJ429]

Wouldn’t ballistics be determined by the load rather than the caliber?

All the 300's you've named are the same Caliber ! There ballistics are determined by powder weight.
But when comparing ballistics Of different calibers. Its there charge weight vs there projectile weight efficiency.
I have both the 300wm & 260rem, love them both, enjoy your new toy

Are you saying that a 6.5mm 140 grain VLD at 3100 fps has similar ballistics as a 30 cal 200 grain VLD at 2900 fps?

Some cases can provide more speed for the same powder charge, an example is the 300 WSM compared to the 300 RUM. It only gets overtaken by the RUM once it runs out of case capacity. Smaller cases can produce the pressure and therefore the speed because of the smaller chamber volume. It is easy to produce 70% of the RUMs speed but the last but of speed comes at a cost as you are adding a lot of powder but receive a diminishing return.

[Mark]

The 6.5 140 vld has less drag & less wind drift the the 30 cal over distance. My buddies 300 wm launched a 215 hybrid @ 3080fps
There's a good article on it here ! http://demigodllc.com/articles/the-case ... ngton/?p=2