300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

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Re: 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

Post by eddahenry » 11 Jun 2019, 10:05 pm

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Re: 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

Post by SCJ429 » 11 Jun 2019, 10:18 pm

My 378 had shot nearly 3000 rounds and was still shooting OK but I hated the light #3 profile factory barrel. I personally think it needs the same profile barrel as the 460 and a different stock. The standard walnut Monte Carlo stock does it no favours and I swapped it for an aftermarket laminated straight comb stock.

The rifle is now a 300/378 and I expect to get about 1,200 rounds through it before it goes off. Next barrel I am thinking of a 300 Lapua Inproved or a 375 Lapua.

The 460 should have good barrel life, probably 3,000 to 4,000 rounds. I don't expect to burn it out.

My personal opinion for you is a CZ 550 chambered in 416 or 450 Rigby. Very plesent to shoot and a classic looking rifle in the Rigby tradition. It will make your 30/06 feel like a pussy cat. The Mrs might even want to try it out.
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Re: 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

Post by TassieTiger » 11 Jun 2019, 10:28 pm

Haha...my missus won’t touch the 260. The 223 and .22 - yes...that’s it.
My 06 is surprisingly bothersome. Weighing 3.2kg with scope - on the bench it cracks hard with 180’s.
I imagine any of the 300’s will add 20-30% to that and the shoulder busters your talking about - probably double the 06 lol.
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Post by marksman » 11 Jun 2019, 10:36 pm

get a 375 H&H and ream it out to 375 weatherby, 300 fps better than the 375 H&H and just shoot the 375 H&H cases in the 375 weatherby to form :thumbsup:

have been kicking the idea around for for mine for a hell of a long time but problem is that BOB from KUDU has shut shop at the moment ill and he is the only smith I know of that has the reamer :unknown:
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Re: 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

Post by SCJ429 » 11 Jun 2019, 10:52 pm

TassieTiger wrote:I think you might n looking for an organ donor making recommendations like that lol


Detached retinas can be fixed, I am with Marksman. I don't think you need any more speed in a 30 cal but a 375 can deliver a heavy payload. I shot a 375 Ruger and it was a pussy cat. The 375 Weatherby is a handy thing too, you can load them down so they have no sting or run them fast for a bit of fun.
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Re: 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

Post by SCJ429 » 11 Jun 2019, 10:54 pm

Pity you are not on the mainland, come to the range with me and I guarantee you will go home with a smile and a Weatherby eyebrow.
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Re: 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

Post by bigrich » 12 Jun 2019, 4:55 am

TassieTiger wrote:My missus was just looking over my shoulder and asked me what I was doing....I said I’m just getting some help with my next next little .22 project.,,then she started reading...”who’s big rich, who’s marksman, wtf are they telling you to buy? And WTF IS THAT! No Effing way is that coming here...that’s bull, no way, tell those guys to bugger off, we have kids here, nope, not happening, who do you think you are Rambo!”

I’m still rolling on the floor laughing.


:lol: YO ! Grumble mumble big efen power mumble kaboom mumble taz.

Interpretation of Rambo language- hello, I believe you require a large caliber firearm taz .

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Re: 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

Post by juano86 » 12 Jun 2019, 9:12 am

No mention of the 30 Nosler or even 33 Nosler? sounds like it would suit your intended purposes with little fuss as you can use a win mag action. Brass will be around for a long time as many factory rifles and ammo available for 26 / 28 Nosler. The ballistics aren't too shabby either. Interesting article: https://gununiversity.com/300-norma-mag ... 30-nosler/
Iv been thinking of a 30 Nosler, or as mentioned above, wildcatting the 375 Ruger cartridge to either 338-375 or 30-375.
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Re: 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

Post by SCJ429 » 12 Jun 2019, 9:50 pm

Isn't the Nosler just a shorter RUM. What can it do that the Ultra Magnum cannot do?
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Re: 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

Post by TassieTiger » 12 Jun 2019, 9:52 pm

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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 12 Jun 2019, 11:14 pm

What 338 isa or mate, I can't really make out.... the is 338 lapua and 338 winmag
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Post by duncan61 » 12 Jun 2019, 11:38 pm

looks like win mag on the barrel
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Post by TassieTiger » 13 Jun 2019, 9:01 am

MM said that tikka cant be loaded long...that is a factor. Just remembered.
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Post by SCJ429 » 13 Jun 2019, 7:41 pm

The 338 WM is a bit like the 308, it does nothing badly but not outstanding. It is only a small increase in caliber over a 30 cal, smaller selection of more expensive projectiles compared to a 30. The Tikka would shoot 200 grain projectiles well but so can your 30/06.
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Re: 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

Post by marksman » 13 Jun 2019, 8:44 pm

TassieTiger wrote:MM said that tikka cant be loaded long...that is a factor. Just remembered.


it is :thumbsup:
IMO that rifle would suit a short distance sambar hunter who wanted to stop the big buggers in there tracks, a good useful rifle for that :drinks:
you would be better spending your money on a new 300wm howa 1500 long range magnum with varmint barrel from, IMHO
threaded muzzle for $599
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Post by TassieTiger » 13 Jun 2019, 11:05 pm

That’s so darn cheap - I think I might have to do it and see how it goes.
Awaiting PTA now...
Might be my first foray into replacing stocks and learn / get something a little more friendly....
Cheers for advice - I think we have a winner.
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Post by TassieTiger » 16 Jun 2019, 9:14 am

A bit more research undertaken.
In regards to a 300 - What would be the benefits of buying something like a sendero vs a howa 1500 ? The price difference is significant- andvim sure the 700 would be a better quality, but more than likely not a better shooter - are there additional benefits RE aftermarket stocks etc?
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Post by flutch » 16 Jun 2019, 2:07 pm

TassieTiger wrote:andvim sure the 700 would be a better quality


Don't be so sure, Remington aren't renowned lately for good QC and have produced more than a few duds in the last few years
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Post by nightforcenxs » 16 Jun 2019, 2:42 pm

flutch wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:andvim sure the 700 would be a better quality


Don't be so sure, Remington aren't renowned lately for good QC and have produced more than a few duds in the last few years


what flutch said i would choose a howa over a remington these days but go back more then 10 years and remington was a nice rifle..... as for something big in caliber 300 norma mag is nice but lapua brass is $325 for 100 and that caliber needs a lapua size action so it makes it limited to that caliber barrel life is about 1000 shots if your into target shooting. 300 rum isnt much better either. 300 win mag and 300 wsm are similar the benchrest guys like 300 wsm and norma brass has good life. as for shooting decent size caliber like 375 H&H being the small magnum i load 270gr speers at 2700fps in my ruger no 1 and shoot off the bench but the shoulder knows about it after 10 shots for the day and 50 308 shots :D
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Re: 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

Post by duncan61 » 16 Jun 2019, 5:57 pm

My Remington Sendero is way better built than the 1500 Howa I have
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Post by flutch » 16 Jun 2019, 6:52 pm

duncan61 wrote:My Remington Sendero is way better built than the 1500 Howa I have


Yeah, perhaps, but then you could go buy another sandero tomorrow and have no end of trouble with it
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 17 Jun 2019, 8:12 pm

duncan61 wrote:My Remington Sendero is way better built than the 1500 Howa I have

Fair enough mate, and considering its nearly 4x the price I would expect it to be
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Post by duncan61 » 17 Jun 2019, 8:35 pm

I think the Sendero was $2750 list price just for the rifle when I bought mine second hand and the Howa was $700 complete with scope so yeah 4 times the price
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Post by duncan61 » 17 Jun 2019, 8:39 pm

Remington 700 Sendero SF II

$2,575.00
DESCRIPTION
Overview:
Built on the famous Model 700TM cylindrical action, Remington Sendero rifles are the most accurate rifles we produce for over-the-counter sale. You'll be stunned by the degree of precision you get straight out of the box. The varmints won't be so lucky.
The Model 700 Sendero SF II are finely tuned tack-drivers created using input from serious shooters across America. The stock is reinforced with aramid fibers and features contoured beavertail fore-end with ambidextrous finger grooves and palm swell. Twin front swivel studs accommodate a sling and a bipod. Full-length aluminum bedding blocks create accuracy-enhancing platforms for the barreled actions. The 26" heavy-contour barrels are fluted for rapid cooling.
Key Features:
26" heavy contour barrel (0.820" Muzzle O.D.) for the ultimate in long-range accuracy.
Concave target-style barrel crown.
Composite stock with beavertail fore-end.
Chambered for popular Magnum and Remington Ultra Magnum cartridges.
Black stock with grey webbing.
AVAILABLE IN CALS 264 WINMAG,7MMREMMAG,300 WINMAG,7MMREM ULTRAMAG,300REM ULTRAMAG
AVAILABLE ON ORDER This is the same one I have
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Post by duncan61 » 17 Jun 2019, 9:08 pm

I have no regrets owning a Remington Sendero in 7mm Rem Mag.I actually paid the previous owner $4000 but it came with a leupold scope about 50 rounds of top grade ammo the reloading dies a hard case and he let me pay it off over a few months as we were working together on the same building site.
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Post by TassieTiger » 17 Jun 2019, 9:16 pm

duncan61 wrote:Remington 700 Sendero SF II

$2,575.00
DESCRIPTION
Overview:
Built on the famous Model 700TM cylindrical action, Remington Sendero rifles are the most accurate rifles we produce for over-the-counter sale. You'll be stunned by the degree of precision you get straight out of the box. The varmints won't be so lucky.
The Model 700 Sendero SF II are finely tuned tack-drivers created using input from serious shooters across America. The stock is reinforced with aramid fibers and features contoured beavertail fore-end with ambidextrous finger grooves and palm swell. Twin front swivel studs accommodate a sling and a bipod. Full-length aluminum bedding blocks create accuracy-enhancing platforms for the barreled actions. The 26" heavy-contour barrels are fluted for rapid cooling.
Key Features:
26" heavy contour barrel (0.820" Muzzle O.D.) for the ultimate in long-range accuracy.
Concave target-style barrel crown.
Composite stock with beavertail fore-end.
Chambered for popular Magnum and Remington Ultra Magnum cartridges.
Black stock with grey webbing.
AVAILABLE IN CALS 264 WINMAG,7MMREMMAG,300 WINMAG,7MMREM ULTRAMAG,300REM ULTRAMAG
AVAILABLE ON ORDER This is the same one I have


But the question for me is - how much worse will the $700 howa real world shoot, than the Remington OR is there a possibility that the $700 HOWA will shoot better than the remington ? - what guarantees do I have that I will get a minute rifle by spending 4 times more money ? Given that HOWA are guaranteeing MOA accuracy - Id have to be guaranteed 3/4 or 1/2 MOA from the Rem to make it worth while...
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Post by duncan61 » 17 Jun 2019, 9:46 pm

I believe the Sendero was made for North American hunters who wished to take out deer at 400-500 yards.To make something to do the same job would cost around $2500-$3000.They sold a lot of them apparently.The American military has had a play with 7mm Rem Mag as a sniper outfit as well.I was just lucky to get mine as I had been to the range with my .222 and it did not make it to 400 yards and at lunch I walked to the LGS and read the ballistic charts on what could shoot 1000 yards.The 22/250 is pretty flat out to 500 but the 7mm was flatter at 1000.When I got back to the site the builder asked if I had found what I needed and I told him the Electrical contractor piped up he had one.As He described what he had I said its about $4000 worth and he sold it to me.He was going through a messy split up and sold all his toys.It was a while ago and I am satisfied I have had my moneys worth.I still have some Remington corelokt and other big game ammo but the 100gn Sierra game kings at 3300fps make me smile and the 168 Matchkings fly out to 1000
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Post by TassieTiger » 17 Jun 2019, 10:00 pm

I have no doubt that come sale time - a Remington is going to command more than an equally accurate howa.

If Marksman hadn’t told me about mag length loading on TIKKAS and the implications - especially poignant on the 300 win it seems - then I’d have a 26inch 300win tikka here right now...$1500 odd for almost guaranteed accuracy and very flat shooting 180gns out to 800m ? Sign me up.
But - so many people - on here and elsewhere - are now rating the howa as a bloody good shooter that is now fully guaranteed for accuracy and for 24inch varmint and threaded barrel are $599...and again as MM said, as a base platform - imagine what you can do throwing another grand or so at it...?
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Post by mickb » 17 Jun 2019, 11:50 pm

mainly depends what makes you hardest in the pants mate. Owning the fastest, or the most economical, or the most available or maybe like the idea of something no one has. I don't think you can make a bad decision, they all do roughly the same thing. As usual above you got one reply saying you dont want the calibre you want :D

I will say at the top ends of the scale stuff like the 30-378 (an elephant gun necked down to 30cal, 130 grains water capacity) is pretty specialised with a range of provisos to own one. Recoil will be a slightly different level and the amount of powder it burns will start eating throats after a few hundred rounds, you will want to figure in replacement barrels if you are shooting big quantities. The 300 rum is a little bit of a barrel cooker as well with 110 grains water capacity. 300 win for the record has about 89. Brass and components will always be available for most these 30's, coming from a 400cal+ rifle background, most things 30 cal are not hard to find.
My choice just for macho factor, if this is to be your one off 'Cool as f***' gun would be to go a bit bigger than 300win. Give yourself a serious margin over 30-06 etc.
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Re: 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 win, 300 WSM

Post by duncan61 » 18 Jun 2019, 12:03 am

I checked out the latest Howa options.That is value for money.I am sure when I got my .243 Howa there was only lightweight barrels with plastic stocks and not in Magnum chambers.If I had to do it now I would go the Howa pathway for sure.
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