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Re: 7mm-08 specific question - hunting related

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Re: 7mm-08 specific question - hunting related

Post by RoginaJack » 15 Aug 2019, 9:24 pm

Sorry but not a fan of the 270WSM - ammo costs, supply and a few of the LGS around here just don't stock it (no demand).

Came across this reply from Uncle Nick in answer to a question.

http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/ask-u ... us-270-wsm

And don't underestimate the 270, as previous stated, been around for many years, along with the 7x57mm Mauser.
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Re: 7mm-08 specific question - hunting related

Post by SCJ429 » 15 Aug 2019, 9:33 pm

marksman wrote:"Point taken on 270 with limited bullet selection."

rubbish, the 270 is a true 7mm caliber and has plenty of very good bullets out there, for crying out loud you only need one :lol


the 270 is under rated by people who are blinded by bullchit :lol: dont underestimate the 270 cal :drinks:


Is there any advantage shooting a 270 compared to a 7mm or 30 cal in the same case? Say a WSM or Weatherby? Why did you select a 270 WSM?

I don't think people under rate the 270 just overlook it. For me the 30 cal is the pick because it has the largest selection of bullets and you can always get them. Same thing for brass.
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Re: 7mm-08 specific question - hunting related

Post by bigrich » 16 Aug 2019, 4:50 am

Well, the great caliber debate is alive and well :lol: it’s all nit picking really . They all have their strength and weakness . With modern powder 7x57 is still a true slayer, ya can’t really say anything bad about 270 win , 7-08 fits in a short action, the only bad thing I can say about 270 wsm is maybe brass availability in remote areas but many gun shops do good mail order these days. In reference to the OP’s original question, projectile choice is relative to all caliber’s also depends on the job at hand. Also it depends on what floats ya boat in terms of rifle choice for the caliber as well. 270 win has a lot going for it with availability of components. I don’t think it’s going anywhere soon. Personally a loaded up 7x57 in a Winchester model 70 would do it for me if I didn’t already have 6.5x55
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Re: 7mm-08 specific question - hunting related

Post by Bill » 16 Aug 2019, 7:12 am

TassieTiger wrote:If you already have a 260 and a 308 - isn’t adding a 270 little.... trivial?


Reloading the 270 is required to get the best out of it.

It's in a diff class to the 7-08, 260 and the 308. Add 300 to 400fps with the 140gr and 150gr pills when you use reloader 26.
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Re: 7mm-08 specific question - hunting related

Post by marksman » 16 Aug 2019, 9:27 am

SCJ429 wrote:
marksman wrote:"Point taken on 270 with limited bullet selection."

rubbish, the 270 is a true 7mm caliber and has plenty of very good bullets out there, for crying out loud you only need one :lol


the 270 is under rated by people who are blinded by bullchit :lol: dont underestimate the 270 cal :drinks:


Is there any advantage shooting a 270 compared to a 7mm or 30 cal in the same case? Say a WSM or Weatherby? Why did you select a 270 WSM?

I don't think people under rate the 270 just overlook it. For me the 30 cal is the pick because it has the largest selection of bullets and you can always get them. Same thing for brass.


ok the advantages that I thought about that made me go 270wsm

with weatherby cartridges you need a magnum action, but I wasn't looking at weatherby cases, my 270wsm was a 300wm in a long action that did not allow me to load long so I had it rebarreled into 270wsm so I could get the most out of it, the advantage being the 270wsm will fit a long action comfortably

the reason I didn't go 7mm wsm was the cases, nearly impossible to get, but I could get heaps of 300wsm and neck them down to 270wsm although I haven't needed to because I had an abundance of win 270 wsm cases that I sorted through till I had 100 consistent cases, the advantage is case availability

and why not the 300wsm, lower recoil, because the 270wsm shoots flatter at distance, I like the idea of a long slender bullet and had my reamer made to suit the 150gr sst bullets to shoot big deer at good distances, as I mentioned above my 270wsm shoots flatter than my 6.5x284, only just but it does

I also agree with uncle nick that on average you will get around 200fps or more velocity than from a standard 270win,
the question is "do you think its worth it" to me it is, I wasn't choosing between the two. I wasn't comparing,
if I did I would just shoot my 30-06 :drinks:

I dont think my 270wsm costs any more to shoot than my 30-06 :unknown: have not thought about it
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Post by RoginaJack » 16 Aug 2019, 5:23 pm

.."if I did I would just shoot my 30-06.." Now your talking, Marksman.
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Re: 7mm-08 specific question - hunting related

Post by flutch » 16 Aug 2019, 6:20 pm

marksman wrote:"Point taken on 270 with limited bullet selection."

rubbish, the 270 is a true 7mm caliber and has plenty of very good bullets out there, for crying out loud you only need one :lol:
nosler sells from 100gr to 160gr bullets including partitions
berger sell from 130gr up to the eol 170gr elite hunter with a bc of .662 perfect long range bullet that is made for hunting
sierra sells 115gr to 150gr including smk's
hornady sell 100gr to the 150gr sst's I shoot and have a .525 bc, they are rated for medium to large game from 50lbs to 1500lbs

I recon you should be looking at the 270wsm for shooting 150gr bullets very flat and very far
my 270wsm shoots the 150gr sst's one hole at 200yds and 3220fps, whooooompa
it is a bit flatter shooting than my 6.5x284 with 142gr smk's .535 bc at 2950fps
and its on par with my 22 dasher shooting 55gr zmax at 3800fps with both dialed in for a 200yd zero they hit bull again at 450yds

the 270 is under rated by people who are blinded by bullchit :lol: dont underestimate the 270 cal :drinks:



totally agree, the 270 is a beast of a cartridge and anyone who makes claims about them not having good rounds and accuracy is either ignorant, malevolently lying or have simply never owned one or believed one of the first two and is simply repeating their nonsense. End of the day its personal choice and preference if I were looking at something a little less than the 270 myself the next step down would be 6.5x55 personally... as for stopping power and and penetration there are round as mentioned sierra, berger, hornady, speer, nosler, woodleigh, etc etc... all make rounds ranging from varmint to big game in .277 from 80gn all the way up to 180gn, and they are readily available and have great BC.... whoever started the Hen House old bitty gossip wagon on the .270 not having a good selection of projectiles needs to be told to shut up pronto, theyre only making people that buy into it look stupid...
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Re: 7mm-08 specific question - hunting related

Post by SCJ429 » 16 Aug 2019, 9:41 pm

You need to read and understand what people write. When they say that a 30 cal has a larger selection of projectiles, they are correct but you take it as there is not a good selection of projectiles for a 270.

If someone told me that it was harder to source .411 projectiles than .458 I would not get upset. It is true. It would not stop me shooting them or call all the 458 fans ignorant. Shoot what you want and enjoy yourself. Try to be more positive in your posting and understand than some people have a different opinion to you. And that is fine, the difference is what makes things interesting.
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Post by duncan61 » 16 Aug 2019, 9:58 pm

Between 6mm and 7mm there are more than 60 chamberings on the ADI loading chart alone.They all shoot bullets,We are splitting hairs a bit over whats best!!! Fast or slow powder/bullet choice makes a big difference as well.More by luck than planning I have a .222 that will shoot a 60gn pill a .243 that will go fro 55gn-105gn and a 7mm Rem Mag that will shoot 100gn to big game 175gn I am satisfied the 7mm is suitable for all the plains antelope in Africa and big cats and the diminutive .222 is deadly up to small dog size game.The first hunting style rifle I ever used over 30 years ago was my bosses 30/06 on goats in the Murchison and for a long time I raved on about how good it was.I guess its what you get exposed to as we go through our lives.I haven,t been into Trailboss yet but that opens another can of worms
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Re: 7mm-08 specific question - hunting related

Post by flutch » 17 Aug 2019, 8:07 am

SCJ429 wrote:You need to read and understand what people write. When they say that a 30 cal has a larger selection of projectiles, they are correct but you take it as there is not a good selection of projectiles for a 270.

If someone told me that it was harder to source .411 projectiles than .458 I would not get upset. It is true. It would not stop me shooting them or call all the 458 fans ignorant. Shoot what you want and enjoy yourself. Try to be more positive in your posting and understand than some people have a different opinion to you. And that is fine, the difference is what makes things interesting.



Not really, people specifically try and assert that there are no decent bullets in .277 they claim its inaccurate and they claim its limited to only low BC bullets, that simply isn't true. Its a reoccurring theme and it isn't rare whatsoever. and eh 30cal might have a lot of projectiles but the actual effectiveness out of a .308 cartridge is exaggerated greatly.
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Post by duncan61 » 17 Aug 2019, 9:51 am

Not sure what you guys are shooting at but my man beliki hit a medium size boar on the run with his 308 behind the front leg and it went right through and blew a big hole on the other side and the opposite leg off.It stopped running at that point.Its been a long time since I was in the Army but a Bren gun in 308 can cut trees down and thats with FMJ NATO ammo
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Re: 7mm-08 specific question - hunting related

Post by SCJ429 » 17 Aug 2019, 10:48 am

flutch wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:You need to read and understand what people write. When they say that a 30 cal has a larger selection of projectiles, they are correct but you take it as there is not a good selection of projectiles for a 270.
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Not really, people specifically try and assert that there are no decent bullets in .277 they claim its inaccurate and they claim its limited to only low BC bullets, that simply isn't true. Its a reoccurring theme and it isn't rare whatsoever. and eh 30cal might have a lot of projectiles but the actual effectiveness out of a .308 cartridge is exaggerated greatly.


I don't think that many would not acknowledge that the 270 or the 30/06 are very capable, reasonably accurate and a good choice for most deer and pigs. I would not call the 270 a beast of a cartridge lest I be called out on the exaggerations that 308 owners have made to you. The 7mm08 can get within 50 fps of the 270 in most bullet weights. This is where you have to admit that the WSM case provides a real advantage in speed.

For me the 270, 30/06 and 308 are a little common and vanilla. I would prefer a 30BR or a 300 Lapua. But that is me and the majority of shooters buy the 308 and on the whole they come home with some meat for the freezer. My pop only had the choice of a 303 but he shot many things with it. Given the choice I am sure he would have preferred a 308 or a 270.

Good luck with your 270, I am sure you will have and have had a lot of success with it.
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Post by Bill » 17 Aug 2019, 5:24 pm

Mate the 7-08 can not drive a 150gr bullet at any where near 3000fps and if you have evidence I'd love to see it, sorry but I've gotta call your statement as bollocks.

The 270 can comfortably push a 150gr at 3100fps, get with the program SCJ429
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Re: 7mm-08 specific question - hunting related

Post by Mark » 17 Aug 2019, 8:03 pm

I can't find any data to back up your claim of 3100fps comfortably ?
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Post by bigrich » 17 Aug 2019, 8:29 pm

duncan61 wrote:Not sure what you guys are shooting at but my man beliki hit a medium size boar on the run with his 308 behind the front leg and it went right through and blew a big hole on the other side and the opposite leg off.It stopped running at that point.Its been a long time since I was in the Army but a Bren gun in 308 can cut trees down and thats with FMJ NATO ammo


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Post by Bill » 18 Aug 2019, 1:10 am

Mark wrote:I can't find any data to back up your claim of 3100fps comfortably ?


It's called reloader 26 Mark and yes it works

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Post by bigrich » 18 Aug 2019, 8:02 am

i love reloader 22 powder for my 6.5x55 . works with 140's and 120's better than ADI powders in terms of excellent accuracy,good velocity and low preasure. it actually seems to be a common thing with reloader that it keeps preasures lower . i've pushed my 6.5 up real close to 3000fps with 120's before any preasure signs . keep up the good work bill, ya got that 270 workin' :thumbsup:

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Post by SCJ429 » 18 Aug 2019, 9:39 am

Bill wrote:Mate the 7-08 can not drive a 150gr bullet at any where near 3000fps and if you have evidence I'd love to see it, sorry but I've gotta call your statement as bollocks.

The 270 can comfortably push a 150gr at 3100fps, get with the program SCJ429


I am not sure what you are saying Bill? The 270 Win cannot drive a 150 grain bullet at 3,100 fps either. The ADI data puts it at 2,830. Where did I say that the 7mm08 could?

What program do I need to get with and are you sure you are with it?
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Post by SCJ429 » 18 Aug 2019, 9:48 am

If you can push the speed a little in your particular 270 do you think you could do something similar to the 7mm? Why don't you moly coat your projectiles to gain even more?
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Post by Oldbloke » 18 Aug 2019, 11:43 am

Here is an article on bullet testing.

https://www.chuckhawks.com/column74_bullet_testing.htm
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Post by Bill » 18 Aug 2019, 11:50 am

bigrich wrote:i love reloader 22 powder for my 6.5x55 . works with 140's and 120's better than ADI powders in terms of excellent accuracy,good velocity and low preasure. it actually seems to be a common thing with reloader that it keeps preasures lower . i've pushed my 6.5 up real close to 3000fps with 120's before any preasure signs . keep up the good work bill, ya got that 270 workin' :thumbsup:

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Yeah bigrich I took your advice and loaded up some 120gr mono s with RL22 and bang on 3000fps with plenty spare case capacity.

Will hopefully get a chance shortly to do some 130 VLD development, 3000would be nice but I'd be happy with some acuracy over speed
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Post by Bill » 18 Aug 2019, 7:02 pm

SCJ429 wrote:
Bill wrote:Mate the 7-08 can not drive a 150gr bullet at any where near 3000fps and if you have evidence I'd love to see it, sorry but I've gotta call your statement as bollocks.

The 270 can comfortably push a 150gr at 3100fps, get with the program SCJ429


I am not sure what you are saying Bill? The 270 Win cannot drive a 150 grain bullet at 3,100 fps either. The ADI data puts it at 2,830. Where did I say that the 7mm08 could?

What program do I need to get with and are you sure you are with it?


What progam ?, the 21st century mate :? , I try and use the most modern efficient stable powder available and that is more than likely to be an Alliant powder.

Whats ADI powder got to do with my results when i post my OWN results, not interest in what ADI data told you. This was early stage load development and I had little trouble achieving 3100fps. you stated the 7-08 was within 50fp, anyway carry on :drinks:
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Post by Bill » 18 Aug 2019, 7:37 pm

SCJ429 wrote:If you can push the speed a little in your particular 270 do you think you could do something similar to the 7mm? Why don't you moly coat your projectiles to gain even more?


nuthing special about my 270win, CRF fairly new barrel, 26inch to get the most out of case capacity. I have no doubt the 280 and 7 rem mag would get a 100fp or so jump with Alliant powders.

a recent article on the stability side of thing.

https://www.rifleshootermag.com/editori ... ity/330773

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Post by bigrich » 18 Aug 2019, 7:48 pm

Bill wrote:
bigrich wrote:i love reloader 22 powder for my 6.5x55 . works with 140's and 120's better than ADI powders in terms of excellent accuracy,good velocity and low preasure. it actually seems to be a common thing with reloader that it keeps preasures lower . i've pushed my 6.5 up real close to 3000fps with 120's before any preasure signs . keep up the good work bill, ya got that 270 workin' :thumbsup:

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Yeah bigrich I took your advice and loaded up some 120gr mono s with RL22 and bang on 3000fps with plenty spare case capacity.

Will hopefully get a chance shortly to do some 130 VLD development, 3000would be nice but I'd be happy with some acuracy over speed


i was loading nosler 120 grain BT's in my 6.5 bill . 49 grains in norma brass gave me 2950 fps , and one hole accuracy . max load according to uncle nick's reload book is 50 grains . i went back to 140 sst's as a more general purpose load at 2810 fps with 46.7 grains of RL22 . ADI 2209 never gave as good results as reloader did
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Post by bigrich » 18 Aug 2019, 8:00 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Here is an article on bullet testing.

https://www.chuckhawks.com/column74_bullet_testing.htm


good ol' chuck hawks. that article does sum things up nicely OB . i myself try to get accuracy over speed , but speed is important with some calibers and bullet combo's for proper bullet expansion . reading nathan fosters writings ,some calibers have a speed thresh hold where energy transfer drops off at particular speeds for some calibers and bullets . they'll still kill, but killing can be delayed a bit . i might be getting too high tech , but it does make for interesting reading. actually , in regards to the original question by the OP , read nathan fosters review on 7-08 :thumbsup:

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Post by duncan61 » 18 Aug 2019, 8:45 pm

7mm Rem Mag just makes over 3000fps with 150gn pills does a few hundred feet a second matter that much.Most groups are better in the low to middle of their speed range
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Post by SCJ429 » 18 Aug 2019, 8:59 pm

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nuthing special about my 270win, CRF fairly new barrel, 26inch to get the most out of case capacity. I have no doubt the 280 and 7 rem mag would get a 100fp or so jump with Alliant powders.

a recent article on the stability side of thing.

https://www.rifleshootermag.com/editori ... ity/330773

I think ADI have stood still to be honest other manufacturers now make better powder, availability with Nioa just the only issue


It is Borfors who make Alliant powders that are playing catch up to ADI. ADI supply huge amounts of powder into the US market and are known for stable powder that is not temperature sensitive. Alliant want to try and capture some of that market share. Did you compare your RL26 with other double based and single based powders? Would Retumbo, 2225, produce pressure issues at the speeds you are chasing?

Can you see that someone reloading for their 7mm08 could achieve similar increases in velocity to what you have done with your 270? They may be able to do this with Alliant powder or another brand. Sometimes you can get better results with double based powder and sometime you don't. Alliant do not have some miracle formulation that gives you an extra 200 fps, it is simplistic to think that they do.
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Post by Bill » 18 Aug 2019, 9:36 pm

well aware who makes Alliant and your not telling me anything new about ADI, my brother when he was a chemical engineer made powders at Mulwala.

Never reloaded for the 270 before, was happy with factory ammo previously but these days I reload for all my rifles, half with ADI powder half with Alliant.

I found a few references for 7-08 owners getting close to 2900 fps when they used reloader powder. Dont think there is some special formulation just that it hits a sweet spot with bullet weight, case design and capacity for re26. A mate checked all data with quickload.

have you got a link to another powder that may give similar results ? I couldnt find anything but we are always learning :drinks:
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Post by SCJ429 » 18 Aug 2019, 10:13 pm

If you know this stuff then why say ADI have stood still? They are the market leaders in the biggest market the USA.

You would also know that Bofors do not make RL26, a Swiss company make it.

I would not have thought that such a slow powder like 26 was ideal for the 270 but you are getting good results with it. I assume you could get similar results from powders made by ADI or VV or a number of others. I have used RL22 in a 300 Win Mag but got better SD and ES from 2217 at the same speed. Even Alliant admits that their powders are not as temperature stable as" an Australian manufacturer"

I love some of VV powders but supply is difficult and with a bit of experimenting I have found an ADI powder to give me the same result. What does your brother recommend?
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