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Post by marksman » 07 Nov 2019, 3:36 pm

here is IMHO an informative article by uncle nick harvey :thumbsup:

http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/ask-u ... rsus-30-06
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Post by TassieTiger » 07 Nov 2019, 4:05 pm

Very interesting. Who would have thought that the 308 is dead ?
Lol. Kidding...I wonder if he wrote that to generate some temperature in the kitchen...the 308 seems to have a fair bit less recoil then 06...they’d be an advantage...but there are much better target rounds with less recoil as well...from memory - the 6.5 140gn Creedmoor surpasses the 308 150gn with FPS after 450-500m...with much less recoil.
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Post by bigrich » 07 Nov 2019, 5:02 pm

i noticed uncle nick uses RE22 as his favorite powder for reloading 06 . it's my go to powder for 6.5 swede and very likely 243 after checking a few more handloads . alliant powders usually produce more FPS with less preasure in most calibers . 30-06 will never die , it's got too much going for it :thumbsup:
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Post by marksman » 07 Nov 2019, 5:25 pm

bigrich wrote:i noticed uncle nick uses RE22 as his favorite powder for reloading 06 . it's my go to powder for 6.5 swede and very likely 243 after checking a few more handloads . alliant powders usually produce more FPS with less preasure in most calibers . 30-06 will never die , it's got too much going for it :thumbsup:


RE22 gets the swede scooting along and brings it to life as well hey BR
it's one of my favorites and IMHO is mothers milk in a 300wm :drinks:
l currently am using it in my 270wsm with 150gr bullets @ 3220 fps
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Post by Stoney » 07 Nov 2019, 7:22 pm

A little story for you fellas about Uncle Nick if I may...... When I was turning 14 yrs old I was asked what I wanted for my birthday. Of course it was another gun. You see I already had a .22 and a shotgun in my bedroom wardrobe ( shock horror :shock: ) but I didn't have a centrefire rifle. I had been reading every piece of gun information I could get my hands on about calibers and decided a 30-06 was for me ( at 14 yrs old weighing about 3/6ths of f*ck all ). Anywho, I scan the local rag classifieds and find the gun. I drag the old man out to buy me this gun. It was a cheap sporterised M98 Famage 30/06 with a steel buttplate and it came with half a dozen boxes of South African " Musgrave? " 180grn round nose soft points. So we take the gun out into the bush for me to sight it in. And after about the 5th or 6th round I have developed the worst flinch ever. So when I got home I wrote a hand written letter to Uncle Nick asking him if he thought a 30/06 was too big a gun for a 14 yr old boy. I included a self addressed stamped envelope for a reply as you did back then. And after an eternity a HAND TYPED response from the GOD himself came back. He told me he didn't think a 30/06 was too big of a gun for a young man such as myself and I should persevere with the rifle until I learnt how to shoot it well. Times have changed. Uncle Nick must be in his 70's? surely. Legend though.
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Post by in2anity » 07 Nov 2019, 7:27 pm

Good story Stoney :thumbsup:
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Post by bigrich » 07 Nov 2019, 7:38 pm

that 270 wsm is scooting along MM . just out of curiosity , what brands of brass do you use ? i'm using Norma in my 6.5 and 222 , jageman in my 243 and PPU in my 8x57 . do you , or anyone else, have any comments or theory's on brass ? i like the norma cause it's so consistant in qaulity. i've had RP and WIN that's just been crap . federal not much better , especially if it's got that blue glue around the primer pocket . the jageman is a new US brand that seems really consistant in weight and quality . getting a bit of topic ;) , i think 30-06 has a advantage so long as powder with good case fill is used. i've noticed my most consistant reloads have 80-90 % case fill . the larger boiler room is a advantage for more FPS, i don't see having a short action as much of a advantage in a hunting rifle , which is the only other advantage some would bring up in favor for 308 . i've considered building a 358 win , which is a fine round , but i think the 30-06 based 35 whelen has advantages in speed and reach and the ability to throw heavier projectiles if needed . comments ..... :unknown:

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Post by bigrich » 07 Nov 2019, 7:40 pm

it'll be a sad day when uncle nick passes , all hail uncle nick ! :lol: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Post by marksman » 07 Nov 2019, 8:00 pm

bigrich wrote:it'll be a sad day when uncle nick passes , all hail uncle nick ! :lol: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


+1 :clap:

l am using match prepped win cases for 270wsm
win and norma for 30-06
lapua for 6.5x284, 6.5x55, 308's, 22 dasher, 6mm dasher, 222
win for 22-250
ppu and win for 17 ackleys
hornady for 22 hornet
win and hornady for 375 H&H
l have norma for 300wm when l get around to it :lol: got to stop spending money on other sh!t :lol:

l have a preference for win cases if they are up to standard and match prepped because they have thinner walls (more case volume, easier to pick out bananas) that can safely be loaded with a bit more powder for more velocity but less pressure
l usually get once fired range brass and go through a hell of a lot of cutting to get a good number to use
this has been a good one for me :drinks:
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Post by Oldbloke » 07 Nov 2019, 8:08 pm

I have two 30-06s. And would recomend it for bigger stuff. But, IMHO 200fps less aint going to matter very much to a deer at 200 yards or 350 for that matter.

The other thing is its a bit of a raffle what your rifle will like. My M70 with 180 gr bullets likes hot loads while the Marlin seems to be happy with mild loads.
So buy a 30-06 thinking your going to shoot 150gr
bullets fast might just go out the window.

270, 308 & 30-06 are all good IMO. Its splitting hairs.

P.s. Often people buy stuff they just dont need. e.g. buying a 30-06 to shoot goats, just need a 223.

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Post by bigrich » 07 Nov 2019, 8:22 pm

Oldbloke wrote:I have two 30-06s. And would recomend it for bigger stuff. But, IMHO 200fps less aint going to matter very much to a deer at 200 yards or 350 for that matter.

The other thing is its a bit of a raffle what your rifle will like. My M70 with 180 gr bullets likes hot loads while the Marlin seems to be happy with mild loads.
So buy a 30-06 thinking your going to shoot 150gr
bullets fast might just go out the window.

270, 308 & 30-06 are all good IMO. Its splitting hairs.

P.s. Often people buy stuff they just dont need. e.g. buying a 30-06 to shoot goats, just need a 223.

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your right about people buying what they don't really need , most gun nuts on this forum are guilty of that i reckon :lol: . i've got a itch for 35 whelen ATM , saw a very nasty mean looking bunny the other week :lol: i suppose i could shoot the little bugger with a 22 mag and get a mate to punch me in the shoulder to simulate owning the whelen :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by bigrich » 07 Nov 2019, 8:27 pm

l am using match prepped win cases for 270wsm
win and norma for 30-06
lapua for 6.5x284, 6.5x55, 308's, 22 dasher, 6mm dasher, 222
win for 22-250
ppu and win for 17 ackleys
hornady for 22 hornet
win and hornady for 375 H&H
l have norma for 300wm when l get around to it :lol: got to stop spending money on other sh!t :lol:

l have a preference for win cases if they are up to standard and match prepped because they have thinner walls (more case volume, easier to pick out bananas) that can safely be loaded with a bit more powder for more velocity but less pressure
l usually get once fired range brass and go through a hell of a lot of cutting to get a good number to use
this has been a good one for me :drinks:[/quote]

how does the lapua compare to norma ? much of a muchness ? i've heard the lapua is thicker and has less capacity , i'd maybe have to tweak my loads a little . any thoughts on this ?
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Post by bigrich » 07 Nov 2019, 8:29 pm

dunno about those MJ memes OB , he just creeps me out :?

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Post by Oldbloke » 07 Nov 2019, 8:43 pm

bigrich wrote:dunno about those MJ memes OB , he just creeps me out :?

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Was never a fan myself.
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Post by marksman » 07 Nov 2019, 8:58 pm

what l have found is the norma is a bit softer than the lapua not to say that l dont rate norma that just means the primer pockets will loosen up with my loads quicker
l think if you changed your brass with any different brand you should rework your loads
l match prep all the cases l use no matter what the brand and there is culling of cases with all of them

and l will add this to the can of worms :thumbsup:
"The .30-06 is an immensely versatile cartridge. There was a time when ammunition selection was somewhat poor and hunters had a choice of either a soft 150 grain bullet or in many instances, a stout 180 grain bullet. The 180 grain bullet was promoted as being the best all-round choice which was quite often detrimental to the performance and popularity of this cartridge. Australian gun writer Nick Harvey put it best many years ago when he said “ a deer hit with the 180 grain bullet may go down immediately but is just as likely to get up again and run anywhere from 100 to 300 yards”.
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Post by sungazer » 07 Nov 2019, 9:18 pm

He knows that there is really nothing in it. Even stating that the 308 may be a better choice in some circumstances. The caveat that these remarks, relate to is very specific, Large Game.

Personally I would choose the 308 over the 30 06.

@tassietiger the 6.5C IMHO is a marginal gain over the 308 in certain circumstances the drop at any distance past 300 yrds is insignificant in both actual drop size on paper and in real life shooting is not a factor. The 6.5 will buck the wind at ranges past 400 slightly better in real life shooting and on paper.
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Post by bigrich » 08 Nov 2019, 4:41 am

Horses for courses, for general use there isn’t much in it between 08 and 06 . Depends on the rifle as well, some folks like a bit of history , a Springfield sporter in 06 wouldn’t be a bad thing. Depends on what hunting or shooting you do I suppose. A lot of folks probably couldn’t be bothered playing around with 8x57, but I’ve got one in a pre WW1 Mauser that’s slick and tight. The ballistics for the heavier hand loads compare very well to 06 and 08, horses for courses :thumbsup:
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Post by Oldbloke » 08 Nov 2019, 5:39 am

bigrich wrote:Horses for courses, for general use there isn’t much in it between 08 and 06 . Depends on the rifle as well, some folks like a bit of history , a Springfield sporter in 06 wouldn’t be a bad thing. Depends on what hunting or shooting you do I suppose. A lot of folks probably couldn’t be bothered playing around with 8x57, but I’ve got one in a pre WW1 Mauser that’s slick and tight. The ballistics for the heavier hand loads compare very well to 06 and 08, horses for courses :thumbsup:


Correct. Splitting hairs.

Marksman, so whats wrong with a 180gr bullet?
Hunt safe, look after the bush & plug more pests. :thumbsup: Better to load on the mild side. :o The greatest invention in the history of man is beer. :drinks: "Often the written message doesn't convey all of the information"
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