6.5 Creedmoor definetely better than .308?

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Post by sungazer » 24 Dec 2019, 2:13 pm

if you do want to do s SAUM do a 7mm. If nothing else just to see what it is like. It is the cartridge that the Australian F Open team will be taking to the world cup in South Africa.
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Post by SCJ429 » 24 Dec 2019, 2:58 pm

I have seen Peter's rifle in action which made me want a SAUM. I wonder if my wife would get it for me at Christmas.

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Post by marksman » 24 Dec 2019, 8:31 pm

SCJ429 wrote:I have been interested in doing a SAUM or a WSM also. You are inspiring me to do something with my M98 there Marksman.


l'm inspiring myself as well SCJ429, l'm either looking at a howa 300wm or a barrel :unknown:
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Post by K2bonsai » 29 Dec 2019, 4:51 pm

If you are simply after an answer as to which would be better for long range then I would say the 6.5. I have one from Howa and it is fantastic and an accurate shooter with a 2.5-15 scope.

Mine is in a sportier barrel as my main intent is hunting. When I take it to the range for sighting or practise late spring or early summer I generally can put 3-4 rounds through it but then the barrel needs to cool for 15 mins at least. I usually take my 22 WMR with me and blast 10-20 rounds that before switching back to the 6.5. So if purely a target long range shooter then I would go with the heavy varmint barrel.

Last spotlight cull I did on a property I used my 6.5 and with the cool evening I could put shot after shot out and the barrel cooled rapidly so hot days and being under the enclosed range benches without wind certainly brings a different consideration to barrel choice.
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Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 29 Dec 2019, 5:29 pm

K2bonsai;
Yeah
I was leaning towards getting a 6.5 Creedmoor as it's better over long distance as you've also mentioned
(Past 500x metres)

However
I think I'm gonna go with a .308
For those reasons;
- The .308 ammunition is cheaper
- The .308 ammunition there's more choice available
- The .308 is a heavier load, so when you hit metallic gongs, it's easier to hear if you've hit the target, and it's a nice feeling when you hear that sound lol
- The .308 for hunting it's a more humane kill as well as it's a heavier shot
So for all those reasons
The .308 sounds great to me

The main reason as to why I wanted to get a 6.5 creedmoor as well was because I was planning on shooting at targets past 500x metres away as well
I wanted to shoot at 1000x metres away
But I think I've changed my mind
I think I'll stick with shooting targets at 500metres tops for now
I think 500metres away will be enough for me
That'll probably give me enough pleasure out of target shooting
In which case
From what I understand
Then the .308 & the 6.5 creedmoor perform extremely similarly

So I may as well stick with the .308 now then
(Since I plan only on shooting targets at 500x metres away only now)

I may get the 6.5 creedmoor later if I REALLY wanna get into shooting at targets at 1,000x metres away later down the track

We'll see how we go
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Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 29 Dec 2019, 8:11 pm

I hear you though K2bonsai

It is a very hard choice I find
Its very difficult to choose

The 6.5 creedmoor definitely is more accurate than the .308
The 6.5 creedmoor definetely shoots flatter and is less affected by wind than the .308
(Over all distances)
The lighter recoil in the 6.5 creedmoor does make it very appealing too

So hard to choose lol :drinks:
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Post by K2bonsai » 29 Dec 2019, 8:34 pm

I know at some point I will get a heavier rifle but I wanted a mid size with low recoil that will cover me off for everything from goats to pigs and fallow etc. I have not shot a deer yet but the knockdown of the 6.5 creedmoor kills everything else I have shot as dead as a 308. My suggestion is get to a local range and see if you can have a shoot of both rifles.... if you are in Sydney I can tee up for you to shoot the creedmoor and most ranges will have a 308 on hand. Although to be honest I don’t really notice the recoil in the field but from the bench rest it tends to feel more.

Also it must be said the rifle is probably more accurate than my shooting and unless you are a seasoned shooter or under target competition you may actually see yourself not shooting any different between the two calibres. I think there is way to much focus on sub moa etc as this means little when firing from standing or kneeling out in the field.
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Post by K2bonsai » 29 Dec 2019, 8:36 pm

If you have any doubts and know you won’t be buying a higher caliber in future then I would go the 308.
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Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 29 Dec 2019, 9:11 pm

Sorry bruv
I'm in Victoria
Otherwise I would've said yes :)

It's honestly extremely hard to decide
I love the fact that the 6.5 creedmoor is more accurate
But I also love the fact that the .308 offers cheaper/more variety of ammunition and is of higher velocity/impact

I heard that the 6.5 creedmoors aren't that good for plinking though
Coz apperently the 6.5 creedmoors heat up a lot faster than the .308's
Have you found that to be true or?
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Post by SCJ429 » 29 Dec 2019, 9:30 pm

The King of 300 to 600 is a 6mm, wins more and is easier to shoot.

If I was starting out I would grap a Varmint profiled barrel in 223 and shoot OSA ammo with the 69 grain Sierra Matchking or learn to reload and use 80 grain Bergers. This would give you better results sooner.
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Post by bladeracer » 29 Dec 2019, 9:49 pm

K2bonsai wrote:I know at some point I will get a heavier rifle but I wanted a mid size with low recoil that will cover me off for everything from goats to pigs and fallow etc. I have not shot a deer yet but the knockdown of the 6.5 creedmoor kills everything else I have shot as dead as a 308. My suggestion is get to a local range and see if you can have a shoot of both rifles.... if you are in Sydney I can tee up for you to shoot the creedmoor and most ranges will have a 308 on hand. Although to be honest I don’t really notice the recoil in the field but from the bench rest it tends to feel more.

Also it must be said the rifle is probably more accurate than my shooting and unless you are a seasoned shooter or under target competition you may actually see yourself not shooting any different between the two calibres. I think there is way to much focus on sub moa etc as this means little when firing from standing or kneeling out in the field.


I disagree that accuracy isn't important in field positions, I consider it's more important from field positions. A 2Moa-at-100m rifle will shoot 60mm groups off the bench at 100m every time. Shooting offhand let's say that you can consistently hold 3MoA (90mm) at 100m yourself, thus your bullets will always fall in a 5MoA (150mm) circle at 100m with a 2MoA rifle, but a 1MoA rifle will always shoot into 4MoA (120mm) without you doing anything differently. 3MoA offhand with a scoped centrefire is pretty good in my opinion, many people will struggle to maintain that without plenty of practice. The more accurate your rifle/ammo is, the less accurate the shooter has to be, or more importantly, the less stable you need your position to be - I wouldn't be taking offhand shots at live game with a 2MoA-capable rifle unless I was an extremely good offhand shooter.
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor definetely better than .308?

Post by Ferrisweil » 29 Dec 2019, 10:01 pm

TheFirearmEnthusiast wrote:Sorry bruv
I'm in Victoria
Otherwise I would've said yes :)

It's honestly extremely hard to decide
I love the fact that the 6.5 creedmoor is more accurate
But I also love the fact that the .308 offers cheaper/more variety of ammunition and is of higher velocity/impact

I heard that the 6.5 creedmoors aren't that good for plinking though
Coz apperently the 6.5 creedmoors heat up a lot faster than the .308's
Have you found that to be true or?


Ok, once and for all, for you, starting out, there will be diddly squat difference in terms of accuracy between a 308 and 6.5
The nut behind the butt (that’s you) will be the deciding factor of accuracy; not the caliber in this case, so don’t let that factor drive your choice.
I don’t really punch paper, (I spend 99.8% in the field) so I’m not a range expert but I’m telling ya, for what you’re gonna do, there won’t be much diff between 308 and creed at the range for the first year or two I’m suspecting. Price of ammo might be, but that’s about it, and even then, that will all depend on what you choose.
As for the field, if that’s what you ever get into, there’s really not gonna be that much difference unless maybe you’re chasing Sambar or Buffalo. Here’s the thing though, both calibers will drop most anything, IF YOU DO YOUR PART, and guess what, both calibers will also not work if your shot placement is crap.
So really, for you, you’re splitting hairs I reckon and whatever you go for outta those two, I don’t think YOU and your situation, will notice a difference.
For what it’s worth, I have and use both calibers in the field.
They’ve both dropped deer (reds), a gazillion pigs, and guess what, they’ve both dropped big ferals and they’ve both had times where more than one shot was needed.
Finally, plinking with a 308 or 6.5 (or any large calibre Centre fire; if that’s what floats your boat) will heat up any barrel, just less quickly if it’s a Varmint etc.
I really don’t think you can say one is better than the other. Both great calibers and for the average punter; (most of us here) it prolly won’t make a big difference
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Post by bladeracer » 29 Dec 2019, 11:42 pm

In Vic we can't use 6.5mm on red or sambar, has to be .277" minimum.
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Post by K2bonsai » 30 Dec 2019, 11:58 am

If I was in vic I would have gone 308 over 6.5 purely on the Sambar issue but as 99% of my hunting is NSW then I focused on the rifle that suited me and my region.
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Post by Ramslamer » 31 Dec 2019, 3:37 pm

If you have convinced yourself that the 6.5 Creedmoor is the way to go then go with it. The Tikka might more than blow your $1000. budget but the Howa (second choice) is well under. Don't discount the Howa because it is a bit less expensive - I have seen some of them shout outstanding groups out of the box (The barrel was run in in the proper manner of course) Why not get two 6.5 Howas (possibly for the price of one Tikka) - one, a light walk around hunting rifle and a second one with a long heavy varmint barrel for target work. You can get them as barreled actions and then add whatever stock you want to make them look "cool"
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Post by mchughcb » 31 Dec 2019, 4:31 pm

My advice as you are just starting out. Buy the cheapest 308 you can get with the cheapest factory ammo you can afford. $400 howa or weatherby. At some point you might ditch it but you hopefully won't lose much money on it when you work out what you want to do. Barrel twists, barrel lengths, trigger pulls, length of pulls, FFP, or SFP scopes mil or moa, cheek risers, reading mirage etc is going to be too many things to worry about. Practice prone, kneeling, offhand, off a bench. If you can consistently hit the 10 ring of the 200 yard SSAA target in your first year then think that as an accomplishment.
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Post by sungazer » 01 Jan 2020, 5:04 pm

@mchughcb what is the size of the 200yrd SSAA target? or even just the 10 ring. They seem to have so many different size targets for the same or similar thing it seems that you just pick one. For example the 50yrd Rimfire target one has just two perhaps 100m targets on an A4 piece of paper but the real small bore 50 yrd target can fit 20 full targets on a A4 piece of paper.
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Post by SCJ429 » 01 Jan 2020, 5:29 pm

I think the 200 metre target is the C target, the 10 ring is approximately 3 inches with an inner circle of approximately 0.8 of an inch.

There is an H target, the one that features six individual targets, mostly used at 100 metres. This has the inner ring of one inch.
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Post by SCJ429 » 01 Jan 2020, 5:35 pm

A three inch group at 200 metres is 1.3 MOA.
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Post by in2anity » 01 Jan 2020, 6:23 pm

SCJ429 wrote:A three inch group at 200 metres is 1.3 MOA.

If that’s the target mchugh is referring to, planting all 10 shots inside the ten ring at 200m isn’t exactly easy, especially when there’s a bit of a crosswind and a time constraint. Lots of variables. I agree he’d be doing well to do that as a complete novice.
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Post by Am88 » 02 Jan 2020, 10:44 am

Maybe get some targets scaled down, so say a 500m target of 10 inches diameter would be 1" then see if you can keep your shots in the 1" circle, I believe I seen a member here do that for practice at a 50m range with trailboss loads in a .308 with cast bullets, bloody good idea if you ask me. that will tell you if your gunna be able to hit the target at 500m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMuDsWOQ2SY

thats a .308, 294 meters, 325 yards. If the read out is in inches its .9. At 225 yards the three shot group is a .277 MOA. I may be a bit old school in my thought but there isn't much 'tacticool' when it comes to an M40A5, I think more people at the range would appreciated a rifle built like something like this and not bought with aluminium chassis and blah blah blah lol, but that's just me.
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Post by SCJ429 » 02 Jan 2020, 2:15 pm

What do you like about the M40? Is it old school because it is a Remington 700? I would have thought it would be classed as Tacticool. Are rifles in chassis what are called Tacticool now?
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Post by Am88 » 02 Jan 2020, 3:02 pm

Personal preference really, it came from a different time and has developed over the years to what it is now, it's got a bit of history about it, same as the military Model 70 sniper rifles. When I say old school I don't mean from the 1800's just a term. I consider them tacticool. Just an opinion of mine. Just like the OP's other thread for the first rifle for him to buy with the comment about wanting a .308 to "feel the power". Just my opinion.
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Post by SCJ429 » 02 Jan 2020, 5:15 pm

This rifle is all business and uses a classic action. It might appeal to you as well. The Sako TRG-22.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9BmkZkewQHc
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Post by bigrich » 02 Jan 2020, 6:14 pm

Am88 wrote:Personal preference really, it came from a different time and has developed over the years to what it is now, it's got a bit of history about it, same as the military Model 70 sniper rifles. When I say old school I don't mean from the 1800's just a term. I consider them tacticool. Just an opinion of mine. Just like the OP's other thread for the first rifle for him to buy with the comment about wanting a .308 to "feel the power". Just my opinion.


nuthin' wrong with the USMC spec m40's and m70's . i dig it :thumbsup:
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Post by Am88 » 02 Jan 2020, 7:23 pm

SCJ429 wrote:This rifle is all business and uses a classic action. It might appeal to you as well. The Sako TRG-22.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9BmkZkewQHc


A little more. It could do without the 4 sided 12 inch picatinny rails for a forend however :lol:

I just like the history more so I think, and I just here so much about about how great these 'new' things are the best ever and can never be beaten and if you own you'll be the best ever, 90% of them couldn't even tell you why, it's just what the salesman has told them :thumbsup:
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Post by SCJ429 » 02 Jan 2020, 7:45 pm

I have a Weatherby with the TRR stock, it is similar to the M40 stock. They are a great stock design and fun to use. I did not like the look of a Chassis but then I used a friends Tikka Tac A1 and an Anschutz Precise stock. They are awesome and I really enjoyed using them. I have to have one.... Or two.

Nothing wrong with the Remington 700, a much copied action design. I am not sure I can justify the cost of a M40A5.
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