.270 vs .308?

[ScottyD]

Do yourself a favour and give the Browning a wide berth.

Have you considered a 260 Rem or a 7mm-08 as well?

Ah, interesting. Are they no good?

I haven't looked at those other calibres yet. Do they fit the bill a bit better?

[JimTom]

Mate if you’re considering either a .243 or .308 now, the .243 is probably fancied a little bit more as an “all rounder” over the .308. In saying that there is a wide range / weight of projectiles for the .308.

As per the previous post you could also consider something in between the two, like a 6.5 or 7mm.

Maybe a 6.5CM, although be prepared to cop a shellacking on this forum for being a ManBun wearing homo.

Also 6.5x55, 260Rem, or the 7mm/08 as previously listed by someone.

Plenty of options mate. If in doubt, buy them all.

[SCJ429]

If I was making a list of budget rifles, I cannot think of anything that I would place lower, my gunsmith will not work on them.

If you get a 260, it is available in 1:8 twist and you can shoot 140+ grains. I see plenty of 308 shooters using 150 grain bullets. A 140 grain 6.5 bullet has a significant BC advantage over a 150 308 bullet.

I have a 243 and have shot plenty of pigs with it. The 260 is almost as flat shooting and hits a little harder. Both are more pleasant to shoot at the range than a 30 cal.

[Oldbloke]

Could anyone give me your thought/advice regarding these two calibres?

270, 308, 30-06, 7x57. Spliting hairs

[RoginaJack]

Go for the 243w. will handle dogs and foxes with ease and pigs too. Best calibre for pigs only - 303 British.

[ScottyD]

Mate if you’re considering either a .243 or .308 now, the .243 is probably fancied a little bit more as an “all rounder” over the .308. In saying that there is a wide range / weight of projectiles for the .308.

As per the previous post you could also consider something in between the two, like a 6.5 or 7mm.

Maybe a 6.5CM, although be prepared to cop a shellacking on this forum for being a ManBun wearing homo.

Also 6.5x55, 260Rem, or the 7mm/08 as previously listed by someone.

Plenty of options mate. If in doubt, buy them all.

Thanks for that Tom

Yeah the flexibility of those two calibres is the main cause of my indecision. I know I probably can't go wrong with either, but still ...

I think I'm also trying to work out what my eventual arsenal will look like long term, and if I can achieve a nice almost linear spread between calibres (if that makes sense). A tool for every job. My intention is to have a couple high end air rifles for competition/pesting, as well as a decent .22 for same. I can see I'll probably also want a .22 with a bit more oomph for small to medium vermin at slightly longer distances (.223 looks like good option), then it seems like an open candy store from there to my upper end of the spectrum of .243/.308 for all things piggish (and possibly even deerish).
If I had the cash, I think I'd have to build a much bigger house because so far I'd like one of everything.

I'll certainly check out the 6.5x55 & 7mm/08 as I think I've seen others look on them favourably. Where do you reckon they'd fall on my 'spectrum'?

And as I don't have a manbun nor buttplug, I'll accept the 6.5CM as being officially off the table.

[SCJ429]

Go for the 243w. will handle dogs and foxes with ease and pigs too. Best calibre for pigs only - 303 British.

I don't think Tikka make a 303 with a 1:8 twist barrel.

[ScottyD]

If I was making a list of budget rifles, I cannot think of anything that I would place lower, my gunsmith will not work on them.

If you get a 260, it is available in 1:8 twist and you can shoot 140+ grains. I see plenty of 308 shooters using 150 grain bullets. A 140 grain 6.5 bullet has a significant BC advantage over a 150 308 bullet.

I have a 243 and have shot plenty of pigs with it. The 260 is almost as flat shooting and hits a little harder. Both are more pleasant to shoot at the range than a 30 cal.

Hmmm ok, that's good to know. I'll scratch them off the list then. Thanks for the heads-up SCJ429.

And I'll definitely have a look at the .260

[JimTom]

Don’t cross 6.5CM off your list mate. I would recommend doing a bit of research on it as a cartridge. 6.5mm a great calibre.

If I had to get rid of all but one of my rifles, the 6.5CM is the one I would keep, and no I am not a trendy, Manbun wearing, cock loving, hipster. I just find it a great cartridge and the fact I own it in a Sako, makes it even better I suppose.

[wrenchman]

i have both and they both have there place this is like the 3006 or 270 what is better.

[SCJ429]

i have both and they both have there place this is like the 3006 or 270 what is better.

Which 270 do you have? Winchester or Winchester Short Magnum?

[mchughcb]

If you don't shoot much get a 308.
If you shoot heaps get a 308.
If you shoot somewhere between you might consider a 270.

[SCJ429]

Check out this thread and around post 15 they talk about their experiences with Tikka.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/thread ... l.3995745/

[marksman]

Don’t cross 6.5CM off your list mate. I would recommend doing a bit of research on it as a cartridge. 6.5mm a great calibre.

If I had to get rid of all but one of my rifles, the 6.5CM is the one I would keep, and no I am not a trendy, Manbun wearing, cock loving, hipster. I just find it a great cartridge and the fact I own it in a Sako, makes it even better I suppose.

JimTom is right
the 6.5 CM will do everything you have asked for and even better now lapua are making small primer brass so it will handle more pressure
ballistically it is a very sound cartridge that should hit hard enough for what you want to do and they come in a budget package, howa's ect...
if you were looking at a tikka it would be a very good choice because of oal restrictions with long action rounds eg.. 30-06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfctlwhFd6g

as others have bought up the 30-06 is a very good all round choice but is a bit harder to find in the shops, the shops are flooded with 308's
and because of oal restrictions in the tikka l would not look at them, you will not be able to load 30-06 with vld's

there you go JimTom

[JimTom]

Thanks mate, finally a bit of praise for the poor old Creedmoor. I use the Lapua SRP brass too mate. Goes well.

[marksman]

Check out this thread and around post 15 they talk about their experiences with Tikka.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/thread ... l.3995745/

good honest thread and l have been listening to dmoran's wisdom for years

[SCJ429]

Yes, he is up front and honest about his experiences. Often has good information.

I was hoping to read about someone's experiences with Mauser and Sauer rifles. I am hoping that they also have good quality barrels.

[Stu222]

308 all day.

[SCJ429]

308 all day.

Why? Don't you like the WSM?

[flutch]

270 eats the 308 for breakfast, faster, flatter and dont listen to the crap about there being no projies for it, its all garbage, great gun, probably one of the best hunting cartridges ever made.

308 are ok too, but theyre lazy in comparison, and tbh screw having to guess bullet drop when you can just point and click instead.

[Archie]

270 eats the 308 for breakfast, faster, flatter and dont listen to the crap about there being no projies for it, its all garbage, great gun, probably one of the best hunting cartridges ever made.

308 are ok too, but theyre lazy in comparison, and tbh screw having to guess bullet drop when you can just point and click instead.

You have to wonder though, whether at practical hunting ranges in most Australian conditions, whether the drop actually means anything. For a similar bullet weight out to 2-300m it doesnt make a lot of difference for most game that you would be hunting with those calibers. Different of course if you are comparing the lighter side of the 270 projectiles vs the heavier side of 308s - 135gr vs 170gr for example.

300m+ shots I acknowledge its a different thing but for most people those are rare (and probably that's a good thing, given what the accuracy of the majority of shooters is like under field conditions at those ranges, regardless of caliber choice. Some are fine to land in the kill zone reliably, most aren't). I don't have a big care either way but I tend to find that, shooting 165gr in a 308 zeroed to 200m, anything inside 250m is still basically point and click.


https://www.snipercountry.com/wp-conten ... 08-Win.png

[flutch]

You have to wonder though, whether at practical hunting ranges in most Australian conditions, whether the drop actually means anything. For a similar bullet weight out to 2-300m it doesnt make a lot of difference for most game that you would be hunting with those calibers. Different of course if you are comparing the lighter side of the 270 projectiles vs the heavier side of 308s - 135gr vs 170gr for example.

300m+ shots I acknowledge its a different thing but for most people those are rare (and probably that's a good thing, given what the accuracy of the majority of shooters is like under field conditions at those ranges, regardless of caliber choice. Some are fine to land in the kill zone reliably, most aren't). I don't have a big care either way but I tend to find that, shooting 165gr in a 308 zeroed to 200m, anything inside 250m is still basically point and click.


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Maybe, but then energy counts too, and there are circumstances where the 270 out whacks the 30-06 and the 30-06 definitely out whacks the 308... so yunno.

and cant speak for everyone else, but where I am shots over that distance are very common.

[Archie]

and cant speak for everyone else, but where I am shots over that distance are very common.

Yeah I could definitely see that in WA. Eastern states - at least until you get out to the more western parts of the Eastern states - is probably less common because of the terrain tending to be more forested and not as flat, although no doubt there are exceptions nearer the coast as well. I still think the majority of shots for the majority of shooters, would be <200m, but if we based everything off what most people need most of the time we'd only have one calibre for anything.

What are the circumstances though where you are getting more downrange energy out of a .270 vs 30-06 though?

[SCJ429]

What are the circumstances though where you are getting more downrange energy out of a .270 vs 30-06 though?

The 270 has a fair ballistic advantage over a 30 cal. If you were shooting a 150 grain out of both the 270 would have a velocity and BC advantage. You would need to shoot a much heavier bullet out of the 3006 to make up that advantage.

[Oldbloke]

IMO Out to 220mtrs its spliting hairs. 2" will make no differences if its a pig or goat sized animal.

[the collector]

.308
used by military world wide

[Stix]

IMO Out to 220mtrs its spliting hairs. 2" will make no differences if its a pig or goat sized animal.

But pigs are smarter so they might know which cartridge killed it...

[RoginaJack]

I thought that the 7.62mm was adopted by NATO to replace the 303 British,30.06 etc. Operated better out of machine guns. And then the US Air Force Guards started using 5.56mm.
Well if they had that then all the US military wanted it too.
So now NATO has a high velocity 22 pea rifle calibre out of a 18" or shorter barrel.
Beats me...

[Stix]

... ... ...
308 are ok too, but theyre lazy in comparison, and tbh screw having to guess bullet drop when you can just point and click instead.

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A 270... ...that goes... ...goes "click"...

Only if someone has drilled a hole through your head...

I dont care what anyone says...sensative little precious pumkin me rekons anything fired out of that case is faahk'n loud man...

[RoginaJack]

Nah STIX, I've found that hitting pigs with a 303 they don't have enough time to think..dead!