.270 vs .308?

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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by SCJ429 » 18 Jan 2020, 2:43 pm

Check out this thread and around post 15 they talk about their experiences with Tikka.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/thread ... l.3995745/
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by marksman » 18 Jan 2020, 2:43 pm

JimTom wrote:Don’t cross 6.5CM off your list mate. I would recommend doing a bit of research on it as a cartridge. 6.5mm a great calibre.

If I had to get rid of all but one of my rifles, the 6.5CM is the one I would keep, and no I am not a trendy, Manbun wearing, cock loving, hipster. :lol: :lol: :lol: I just find it a great cartridge and the fact I own it in a Sako, makes it even better I suppose.


JimTom is right :thumbsup:
the 6.5 CM will do everything you have asked for and even better now lapua are making small primer brass so it will handle more pressure
ballistically it is a very sound cartridge that should hit hard enough for what you want to do and they come in a budget package, howa's ect...
if you were looking at a tikka it would be a very good choice because of oal restrictions with long action rounds eg.. 30-06
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as others have bought up the 30-06 is a very good all round choice but is a bit harder to find in the shops, the shops are flooded with 308's
and because of oal restrictions in the tikka l would not look at them, you will not be able to load 30-06 with vld's :thumbsup:

there you go JimTom :drinks:
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by JimTom » 18 Jan 2020, 2:47 pm

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks mate, finally a bit of praise for the poor old Creedmoor. :lol: :lol: :lol: I use the Lapua SRP brass too mate. Goes well.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by marksman » 18 Jan 2020, 2:54 pm

SCJ429 wrote:Check out this thread and around post 15 they talk about their experiences with Tikka.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/thread ... l.3995745/


good honest thread and l have been listening to dmoran's wisdom for years :thumbsup:
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by SCJ429 » 18 Jan 2020, 3:08 pm

Yes, he is up front and honest about his experiences. Often has good information.

I was hoping to read about someone's experiences with Mauser and Sauer rifles. I am hoping that they also have good quality barrels.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by Stu222 » 19 Jan 2020, 9:31 pm

308 all day.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by SCJ429 » 19 Jan 2020, 9:43 pm

Stu222 wrote:308 all day.


Why? Don't you like the WSM?
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by flutch » 20 Jan 2020, 1:03 am

270 eats the 308 for breakfast, faster, flatter and dont listen to the crap about there being no projies for it, its all garbage, great gun, probably one of the best hunting cartridges ever made.

308 are ok too, but theyre lazy in comparison, and tbh screw having to guess bullet drop when you can just point and click instead.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by Archie » 20 Jan 2020, 8:42 am

flutch wrote:270 eats the 308 for breakfast, faster, flatter and dont listen to the crap about there being no projies for it, its all garbage, great gun, probably one of the best hunting cartridges ever made.

308 are ok too, but theyre lazy in comparison, and tbh screw having to guess bullet drop when you can just point and click instead.


You have to wonder though, whether at practical hunting ranges in most Australian conditions, whether the drop actually means anything. For a similar bullet weight out to 2-300m it doesnt make a lot of difference for most game that you would be hunting with those calibers. Different of course if you are comparing the lighter side of the 270 projectiles vs the heavier side of 308s - 135gr vs 170gr for example.

300m+ shots I acknowledge its a different thing but for most people those are rare (and probably that's a good thing, given what the accuracy of the majority of shooters is like under field conditions at those ranges, regardless of caliber choice. Some are fine to land in the kill zone reliably, most aren't). I don't have a big care either way but I tend to find that, shooting 165gr in a 308 zeroed to 200m, anything inside 250m is still basically point and click.


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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by flutch » 20 Jan 2020, 12:38 pm

Archie wrote:
You have to wonder though, whether at practical hunting ranges in most Australian conditions, whether the drop actually means anything. For a similar bullet weight out to 2-300m it doesnt make a lot of difference for most game that you would be hunting with those calibers. Different of course if you are comparing the lighter side of the 270 projectiles vs the heavier side of 308s - 135gr vs 170gr for example.

300m+ shots I acknowledge its a different thing but for most people those are rare (and probably that's a good thing, given what the accuracy of the majority of shooters is like under field conditions at those ranges, regardless of caliber choice. Some are fine to land in the kill zone reliably, most aren't). I don't have a big care either way but I tend to find that, shooting 165gr in a 308 zeroed to 200m, anything inside 250m is still basically point and click.


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Maybe, but then energy counts too, and there are circumstances where the 270 out whacks the 30-06 and the 30-06 definitely out whacks the 308... so yunno.

and cant speak for everyone else, but where I am shots over that distance are very common.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by Archie » 20 Jan 2020, 1:14 pm

flutch wrote:
and cant speak for everyone else, but where I am shots over that distance are very common.


Yeah I could definitely see that in WA. Eastern states - at least until you get out to the more western parts of the Eastern states - is probably less common because of the terrain tending to be more forested and not as flat, although no doubt there are exceptions nearer the coast as well. I still think the majority of shots for the majority of shooters, would be <200m, but if we based everything off what most people need most of the time we'd only have one calibre for anything.

What are the circumstances though where you are getting more downrange energy out of a .270 vs 30-06 though?
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by SCJ429 » 20 Jan 2020, 2:39 pm

Archie wrote:



What are the circumstances though where you are getting more downrange energy out of a .270 vs 30-06 though?


The 270 has a fair ballistic advantage over a 30 cal. If you were shooting a 150 grain out of both the 270 would have a velocity and BC advantage. You would need to shoot a much heavier bullet out of the 3006 to make up that advantage.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by Oldbloke » 20 Jan 2020, 2:55 pm

IMO Out to 220mtrs its spliting hairs. 2" will make no differences if its a pig or goat sized animal.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by the collector » 20 Jan 2020, 3:12 pm

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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by Stix » 20 Jan 2020, 3:38 pm

Oldbloke wrote:IMO Out to 220mtrs its spliting hairs. 2" will make no differences if its a pig or goat sized animal.

But pigs are smarter so they might know which cartridge killed it... :problem:
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by RoginaJack » 20 Jan 2020, 3:40 pm

:roll: I thought that the 7.62mm was adopted by NATO to replace the 303 British,30.06 etc. Operated better out of machine guns. And then the US Air Force Guards started using 5.56mm.
Well if they had that then all the US military wanted it too.
So now NATO has a high velocity 22 pea rifle calibre out of a 18" or shorter barrel.
Beats me... :roll:
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by Stix » 20 Jan 2020, 3:42 pm

flutch wrote:... ... ...
308 are ok too, but theyre lazy in comparison, and tbh screw having to guess bullet drop when you can just point and click instead.


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A 270... :lol: ...that goes... :lol: ...goes "click"... :lol:

Only if someone has drilled a hole through your head... :lol:

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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by RoginaJack » 20 Jan 2020, 3:42 pm

Nah STIX, I've found that hitting pigs with a 303 they don't have enough time to think..dead!
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by SCJ429 » 20 Jan 2020, 6:56 pm

the collector wrote:.308
used by military world wide


The USSR and half of the world that they supplied arms to never used the 308.

Should you use a case just because the US Army used it? There are so many good cases out there, dare to be different.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by RoginaJack » 20 Jan 2020, 8:32 pm

SCJ429.. then could you explain why we and other NATO countries are using a 5.56mm round and "dare to be different", that is the problem.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by Oldbloke » 20 Jan 2020, 8:37 pm

RoginaJack wrote:SCJ429.. then could you explain why we and other NATO countries are using a 5.56mm round and "dare to be different", that is the problem.


Simple, it will seriously wound or kill and u can carry more
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by SCJ429 » 20 Jan 2020, 8:55 pm

RoginaJack wrote:SCJ429.. then could you explain why we and other NATO countries are using a 5.56mm round and "dare to be different", that is the problem.


Because the US is the big dog and we follow what they do. Look forward to the Infantry solider using a larger caliber assault rifle in the near future.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by Potatoes » 20 Jan 2020, 9:56 pm

The 5.56 was developed because it was low recoiling and you could carry twice as many. A great weapon to give to 18 year old americans to spray up jungle while looking for charlie. To bad the modern american disaffected teenager now finds it an effective round to spray up the classroom.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by Blr243 » 21 Jan 2020, 12:07 am

Not much diff ,, gives us all something to ramble about when there’s nothing on the telly and we have finished mowing the lawn and seating projectiles in their cases
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by Am88 » 22 Jan 2020, 11:03 am

7mm rem mag. :lol: I'll buy one one day.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by flutch » 22 Jan 2020, 11:20 am

the collector wrote:.308
used by military world wide



Only because "Murica" though, all the other NATO constituents were not in favor of it.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by flutch » 22 Jan 2020, 11:27 am

RoginaJack wrote:SCJ429.. then could you explain why we and other NATO countries are using a 5.56mm round and "dare to be different", that is the problem.


both the 308 and 5.56 are out of favour with almost all of the worlds military, the 5.56 is ineffective nowadays and so is the 308, especially at any sort of range, with most opting for 300win, 338lap, 50bmg and 375 variants as they all perform will in excess of anything the sluggish loopty loo dribbling 308 haha... I imagine both the 308 and 556 will be replaced by a 6.5mm or 6.8mm cartridge, given there are way more advantages to having these in light of modern body armor and firearm tech.

look I think that the 308 is okish, but the same old arguments for it vs anything else are definitely a dead horse flogged. most people I know who had a 308 will not buy another one. but then if it suits your circumstances then get one and go bang.
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by Lebner » 03 May 2020, 3:27 pm

I recently replaced a burnt model 70 in 270 with an x bolt hells canyon in 270. I killed a lot of deer with the old gun. The x bolt shoots a hell of a lot better that the mod 70 ever did. Brother replaced his burnt 6.5 Swede with a howa 1500 in 308. The Swede rolled a lot of deer, but I think the 308 will do just as good
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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by solarpak » 03 May 2020, 5:02 pm

The 270 and 308 have been around for a long time and will continue to do so. But the shooting industry has to keep the punters interested and constantly comes up with new calibres - its good business sense. Also new disciplines like PRC (and calibres suited to that discipline) keep things interesting.

But as a hunter, i run both the 270 and 308 - with no complaints whatsoever. Out to 300 metres - plus or minus a 100m - they work very well. I have no need to shoot at extended ranges especially when it comes to hunting deer and goats.

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Re: .270 vs .308?

Post by firstguns » 12 May 2020, 2:07 pm

So to rekindle an older thread, I'm looking at my first 'big' rifle. It needs to be Sambar-legal, not because I'm expecting to get on them in the next 12 months, but because I'd like the option, and to build a long-term package. I've heard all the stuff about the .308, but I kind of want to 'be different', and for how much I expect to be shooting the rifle, I don't mind paying slightly more for ammo.
I have a .223, so can do medium goats and probably small pigs with that, but want something that'll stretch from goats and pigs, thru to sambar, and not a .308.
Does it sound like the .270 is the go? If it weren't for the sambar requirement a 6.5 would be pretty cool, so am I way better off just parking the sambar hunting for a couple of years until I can afford a second rifle (like a .300WSM or something?). Or do I just embrace the single rifle for now and get a 270?
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