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Post by bigrich » 12 Sep 2020, 8:40 pm

okay fellas , i went with stoney today to pick up his 1960's handmade gunsmithed 303-25 sprinter AI today ,(the same dealer has a early 1960's bill marden p14 winchester built 303-270 :D ) and i weakened and picked up a nice old hand built martini cadet in 22 K hornet , that is nicely old school smithed with a monte carlo pistol stock and high scope rings that are pressed over the barrel , and a beautiful ,light ,smooth trigger . i bought it for a project and am tossing up between 22 mag and 17hmr for a rebuild . i already have a tack driving 222 win 70 xtr and am thinking of a quieter rimfire varmit rig that i don't have to reload for . 17 hornet is interesting , but i like the non fussy ,"off the shelf" rimfire ammo option . any of you fellas got a opinion or advice , let rip :lol:

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Post by GQshayne » 12 Sep 2020, 8:58 pm

In my experience the best option for you is the one that floats your boat.

But, not long ago, Nick Harvey wrote an article making a very good argument for the .22 mag. The .17 is getting lots of good press, but he quoted some specs where it did not match the .22 mag as a hunting round. May be old but still a good thing.
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Post by bigrich » 12 Sep 2020, 9:57 pm

GQshayne wrote:In my experience the best option for you is the one that floats your boat.

But, not long ago, Nick Harvey wrote an article making a very good argument for the .22 mag. The .17 is getting lots of good press, but he quoted some specs where it did not match the .22 mag as a hunting round. May be old but still a good thing.


yeah, the 17 is a flat shooter, but the 22mag hits harder :unknown:
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Post by Stoney » 12 Sep 2020, 11:40 pm

22 mag mate.
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Post by Shootermick » 13 Sep 2020, 8:01 am

I like the 22 mag, hits harder, not as affected by the wind. I’ve got a Ruger bolt action and two lever actions in 22 mag, thinking about selling one of the levers though, don’t really need two the same and to make way for something else.
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Post by flashman » 13 Sep 2020, 8:28 am

Hi i love 22wrm it good from rabbits out to 120 m ,foxes under a 100 with the right ammo ,and there is a smorgestboard of ammo out now not like 20 year ago , im on my 3rd .22wmr ............no complaints..... :thumbsup:
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Post by Blr243 » 13 Sep 2020, 8:54 am

Be mindful that there Are extra fast pointed 30 grain Ammo avail for the 22 mag ..Making it somewhat versatile ..from memory it’s 30/32/33 Weight something like that. If u end up goin 22 mag I bought oodles of different brands to test for best accuracy....I have oodles of 22 mag ammo for sale half price ...there would be 45 grain subs. Winchester. Remington CCI. I have Pointed red tipped low weight ammo too I think it’s hornady all half price. My idea was to have a quieter rifle for all the small pigs I see but I just don’t use the 22 mag in the field when I’m catting foxing and pigging
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Post by bigrich » 13 Sep 2020, 11:39 am

lotta 22 mag luv on this subject fellas , keep those opinions coming fellas :thumbsup:
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Post by Bill » 13 Sep 2020, 12:47 pm

I wish Id never sold my Anschutz 22 magnum to a farmer mate, last time I'd spoken to him it had shot more than 1000 foxes and few small pigs over the last 15 years, definitely a more emphatic killer of foxes I reckon than a hmr too :thumbsup:
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Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 13 Sep 2020, 1:04 pm

I love me 17hmr and to date its taken a lot of game. Excellent when you don't want to make too much noise and explosive on foxes effective out to around 150 however have nailed a few foxes out to 200.
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Post by bigrich » 13 Sep 2020, 1:16 pm

AZZA'S HJ47 wrote:I love me 17hmr and yo daye its taken a lot of game. Excellent when you dont want to make too much noise and explosive on foxes effective out to around 150 however have nailed a few foxes out to 200.


okay , this is a 17hmr vote :D
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Post by Bugman » 13 Sep 2020, 1:18 pm

Have had both, but the 17hmr is the keeper for me.
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Post by bigrich » 13 Sep 2020, 3:25 pm

Bugman wrote:Have had both, but the 17hmr is the keeper for me.


how do you find the muzzle noise compares between the two ?
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Post by Bugman » 13 Sep 2020, 6:29 pm

What???? but seriously. the 17 has a louder, sharper report but fine by me. :)
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Post by animalpest » 14 Sep 2020, 10:36 am

22 wmr gets my vote. It smacks harder, has good accuracy with modern ammo and I would use it on small pigs and wild dogs which I wouldn't consider with a 17 HMR
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Post by RoginaJack » 14 Sep 2020, 11:38 am

Hi BIGRICH re your quote - , "okay fellas , i went with stoney today to pick up his 1960's handmade gunsmithed 303-25 sprinter AI today"......

I always thought that the "Sprinter" was the 303/22 ( shortened version) or the F.L.V. was known as the "Falcon". The 303/25 or 303/27 was simply referred to as just that.

Not trying to be picky..

And they were great calibers back in the 40s (heaps of ex military ammo around) and still are due to 10 round mags, quickly loaded by charger clips.... 8-).
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Post by bigrich » 14 Sep 2020, 12:23 pm

RoginaJack wrote:Hi BIGRICH re your quote - , "okay fellas , i went with stoney today to pick up his 1960's handmade gunsmithed 303-25 sprinter AI today"......

I always thought that the "Sprinter" was the 303/22 ( shortened version) or the F.L.V. was known as the "Falcon". The 303/25 or 303/27 was simply referred to as just that.

Not trying to be picky..

And they were great calibers back in the 40s (heaps of ex military ammo around) and still are due to 10 round mags, quickly loaded by charger clips.... 8-).


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Post by pomemax » 14 Sep 2020, 12:34 pm

Easy way to solve your dilemma just buy both all your problem solved that,s what Idone
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Post by Skinna » 14 Sep 2020, 7:25 pm

G'day BRich... :)

Ive thought about this a bit, & finally decided that if i were you, id decide based on how i use the 222.

If you use reduced loads in the 222 with success, id go the 17.
If not, go the 22mag.

Or, if thats no good for the procrastinating decision making cells, start with the 17 & a barrel vice. then when youre bored with the 17, instead of selling the gun (as you do :lol: ), order a 22 mag barrel & decide which one to shoot on the way to the range while eating a donut..!

Bingo..!! :clap: :)

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Post by bigrich » 14 Sep 2020, 8:03 pm

Skinna wrote:G'day BRich... :)

Ive thought about this a bit, & finally decided that if i were you, id decide based on how i use the 222.

If you use reduced loads in the 222 with success, id go the 17.
If not, go the 22mag.

Or, if thats no good for the procrastinating decision making cells, start with the 17 & a barrel vice. then when youre bored with the 17, instead of selling the gun (as you do :lol: ), order a 22 mag barrel & decide which one to shoot on the way to the range while eating a donut..!

Bingo..!! :clap: :)

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:lol: :lol: :lol: i know who this is :D you just keep your zombie wabbits and subteranian spring-legged bush chickens on your side of the border mate , or i'll sneak down and steal all the cooper's pale ales :lol: :lol:

it's interesting that you mention my trusty 222 as i've just developed a 40 grain nosler bt load for it that shoots much flatter than the 55vmax load . it's been fussy with 50 gn bullets , i put it down to the 1-12 twist rate that i was talked into . i reckon eventually i'll re-barrel in a 1-14 twist in a slightly heavier profile . not really interested in reduced loads for it .but anyway, the 222 will shoot a bit further with less wind drift than the 17hmr . 22 mag as a walking rifle has some merit, as this old sportco/custom martini is light weight . i've just snagged a old "made in japan " alloy tube 4 power bushnell to go on it . so 22 mag looks to be the go

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Post by Skinna » 14 Sep 2020, 9:53 pm

bigrich wrote:
Skinna wrote:G'day BRich... :)

Ive thought about this a bit, & finally decided that if i were you, id decide based on how i use the 222.

If you use reduced loads in the 222 with success, id go the 17.
If not, go the 22mag.

Or, if thats no good for the procrastinating decision making cells, start with the 17 & a barrel vice. then when youre bored with the 17, instead of selling the gun (as you do :lol: ), order a 22 mag barrel & decide which one to shoot on the way to the range while eating a donut..!

Bingo..!! :clap: :)

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:lol: :lol: :lol: i know who this is :D you just keep your zombie wabbits and subteranian spring-legged bush chickens on your side of the border mate , or i'll sneak down and steal all the cooper's pale ales :lol: :lol:

it's interesting that you mention my trusty 222 as i've just developed a 40 grain nosler bt load for it that shoots much flatter than the 55vmax load . it's been fussy with 50 gn bullets , i put it down to the 1-12 twist rate that i was talked into . i reckon eventually i'll re-barrel in a 1-14 twist in a slightly heavier profile . not really interested in reduced loads for it .but anyway, the 222 will shoot a bit further with less wind drift than the 17hmr . 22 mag as a walking rifle has some merit, as this old sportco/custom martini is light weight . i've just snagged a old "made in japan " alloy tube 4 power bushnell to go on it . so 22 mag looks to be the go

i love a new project :P

Took ya long enough ol' mate. :)

The reason i mentioned reduced loads in 222 is because you may get a 22 mag load out of the 222 with fast powders, so if that were the case you could get the 17 & have both in effect.
However, youd have to load for the 222 obviously, which breeches the initial brief.

So yep, 22 mag it is then. :thumbsup:
No doubt you'll sell it on before we know about it anyway, then come back here looking for excuses for the next one...hey...! :thumbsup:
Yep i know you too...!! :lol: ;)

As for the coopers, mate you can have them all--id send you a truck load if i was rich. Because ive pretty much given away the piss...time to make changes in life if ya get my drift. :thumbsup:
Ive had 2 beers since Mid April i think--at a friends for dinner. Normally that would give me a taste for it & want more, but having managed to keep off it a good while now i wasnt fussed one way when the second ran out.
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But id still happily have a beer & ping a few spring legged subbies with ya at the border :lol: :thumbsup:

Thing is though, ive got a cupboard or 2 full of some pretty good grog that are feeling very betrayed :lol: --some unique & uncracked Scotches & reds im still keen to have glide over the tongue--maybe ill have to do a trade with someone one day & swap a couple for a bang stick.

Anyway, Here's one stopped & taken especially for ya mate---ill post it up again for a bit of a tease...its only 10 mins from my place at this time of night & the fences look a sinch for a big tall bloke like you. ;) :lol: :drinks:

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Post by Bill » 14 Sep 2020, 11:04 pm

Bigrich if you do decide to build a 17hmr on ya martini I have a spare Sako quad 17hmr barrel, bore is mint, enough meat for a Martini thread :thumbsup:
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Post by marksman » 15 Sep 2020, 12:19 am

Bill wrote:Bigrich if you do decide to build a 17hmr on ya martini I have a spare Sako quad 17hmr barrel, bore is mint, enough meat for a Martini thread :thumbsup:


very generous of you Bill :drinks:
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Post by bigrich » 15 Sep 2020, 4:52 pm

Bill wrote:Bigrich if you do decide to build a 17hmr on ya martini I have a spare Sako quad 17hmr barrel, bore is mint, enough meat for a Martini thread :thumbsup:


yeah bill , that's very decent of you . what sort of $ do you want for the barrel ?

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Post by Bill » 15 Sep 2020, 5:28 pm

pm sent Bigrich. :thumbsup:
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Post by bigrich » 15 Sep 2020, 9:09 pm

i knew someone a while ago who had a 17 hmr, and cases splitting and extraction problems were common with this rifle. has anyone else had this experience ?
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Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 15 Sep 2020, 9:51 pm

bigrich wrote:i knew someone a while ago who had a 17 hmr, and cases splitting and extraction problems were common with this rifle. has anyone else had this experience ?


Split cases yes with winchester and hornady cases in the early days i have since moved over to cci may get 1 out of 200 if im lucky though these days. Have never had a problem with extraction though.
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Post by Bill » 16 Sep 2020, 2:34 pm

same here only ever shot CCI 17 Hmr in a Tikka T1X, dont think I had a failure of any type
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Post by Vicko » 26 Sep 2020, 5:42 pm

17hmr.
I have both a 17hmr and a 22wmr barrel for my CZ457. The 22mag has never been on. 17hmr is like a laser and drops foxes inside 150 if I do my part. I'll be putting the 22wmr barrel on soon just to see how it goes as I have a few boxes of ammo to burn. But I cant see it being as good. The only thing going for the wmr in my book over the hmr is that sub sonics are easily available for it. If you're really worried about wind deflection and dropping foxes past 150m - neither are good options. And 22wmr ammo is notoriously innacurate.
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Post by bigrich » 28 Sep 2020, 5:48 pm

Vicko wrote:17hmr.
I have both a 17hmr and a 22wmr barrel for my CZ457. The 22mag has never been on. 17hmr is like a laser and drops foxes inside 150 if I do my part. I'll be putting the 22wmr barrel on soon just to see how it goes as I have a few boxes of ammo to burn. But I cant see it being as good. The only thing going for the wmr in my book over the hmr is that sub sonics are easily available for it. If you're really worried about wind deflection and dropping foxes past 150m - neither are good options. And 22wmr ammo is notoriously innacurate.


the 22mag accuracy in a weihrauch hw60 i had varied from .75" with no wind and a good batch of ammo , to 1 1/2" with wind and a different box of ammo . i've heard 17hmr is more consistant once you've found what ammo brand/weight it likes. would 17hmr shooters consider this to be the case ?
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