deye243 wrote:Well if we have to have a so-called reset I would rather it be a World War 3 than the one the UN and all those other cock heads are talking about it would also help straighten out the Western worlds youths twisted view of the way the world should be they all need a good Swift kick fair up the arse.
Lazarus wrote:deye243 wrote:Well if we have to have a so-called reset I would rather it be a World War 3 than the one the UN and all those other cock heads are talking about it would also help straighten out the Western worlds youths twisted view of the way the world should be they all need a good Swift kick fair up the arse.
Trouble is Deye, as Einstein is quoted as saying:
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones".
Lazarus wrote:The problem is OB, a lot of people do think we'd be immune from attack.
No matter how many times, we never learn to stop planning for the last war, even the military.
Once a war is over, people insist on subscribing to the "war to end all wars" philosophy.
Humans are a troupe primate.
It's the root of all tribalism, nationalism, racism and all manner of other bastardry.
While ever there are people, there'll be wars, and fools who believe there won't.
Lazarus wrote:The problem is OB, a lot of people do think we'd be immune from attack.
No matter how many times, we never learn to stop planning for the last war, even the military.
Once a war is over, people insist on subscribing to the "war to end all wars" philosophy.
Humans are a troupe primate.
It's the root of all tribalism, nationalism, racism and all manner of other bastardry.
While ever there are people, there'll be wars, and fools who believe there won't.
bladeracer wrote:Lazarus wrote:The problem is OB, a lot of people do think we'd be immune from attack.
No matter how many times, we never learn to stop planning for the last war, even the military.
Once a war is over, people insist on subscribing to the "war to end all wars" philosophy.
Humans are a troupe primate.
It's the root of all tribalism, nationalism, racism and all manner of other bastardry.
While ever there are people, there'll be wars, and fools who believe there won't.
Yep, warfare is the driving force behind our evolution, it drives our technological, societal and medical breakthroughs.
Without warfare we'd still being getting around in aircraft of sticks and paper.
Lazarus wrote:Perhaps Blade, but perhaps not.
What if all those trillions of dollars wasted on war were spent elsewhere?
bladeracer wrote:Lazarus wrote:Perhaps Blade, but perhaps not.
What if all those trillions of dollars wasted on war were spent elsewhere?
Can you think of any incentive that would make that happen other than warfare?
Any other industry expects a kid to voluntarily accrue thousands of dollars worth of debt learning the job, then more thousands equipping themselves to do the job, then doing the job for decades to pay off that debt before they actually earn an income.
The military will take a kid from high-school, give them the best clothing, food and living quarters they've ever had in their lives. Then give them a million dollar vehicle to drive and pay them good money to expend another million dollars of ammunition learning to use it. After a few years they then let them leave the
military fully trained to excel at whatever occupation takes their fancy.
Oldbloke wrote:It's true that ww11 created a leap in technology. So did the space race. But TBH, I'd rather slow down the improvements in technology and save a few million lives.
If there is a nuclear war, the planets population will likely be halved.
Oldbloke wrote:"There is nothing positive about war Blade, nothing."
That's how the vast majority see it.
Lazarus wrote:If we weren't wasting trillions on war, we could afford to train that kid free of charge, there would be no debt for them to pay off.
If it weren't for that wastage we could have a universal income, we could pour billions more into medical and scientific research.
""After a few years they then let them leave the military fully trained to excel at whatever occupation takes their fancy.""
If they haven't been killed in that million dollar machine fighting a war caused by the rich, for the rich, or bastardised into lifelong PTSD by fighting and surviving that war.
There is nothing positive about war Blade, nothing.
Oldbloke wrote:I think the negatives far our weigh the positives.
Otherwise ww111 would have started sometime in the last year.
I think there are better ways to maintain the world population than wars.
bigpete wrote:Oldbloke wrote:I think the negatives far our weigh the positives.
Otherwise ww111 would have started sometime in the last year.
I think there are better ways to maintain the world population than wars.
Yep,like people need to just stop breeding ffs
Oldbloke wrote:I think the negatives far our weigh the positives.
Otherwise ww111 would have started sometime in the last year.
I think there are better ways to maintain the world population than wars.
bigpete wrote:Yep,like people need to just stop breeding ffs
Oldbloke wrote:bigpete wrote:Oldbloke wrote:I think the negatives far our weigh the positives.
Otherwise ww111 would have started sometime in the last year.
I think there are better ways to maintain the world population than wars.
Yep,like people need to just stop breeding ffs
Yep, I reckon the solution is to ban all men under 65 from having sex.
bigpete wrote:
Nope,just stop people from having multiple kids
Lazarus wrote:@Bladeracer
As someone who knows, personally, people who have died as a direct result of Putin's war on Ukraine, please tell me Blade, of one positive thing about it. Just one.
Hundreds of thousands dead, tens of millions displaced, an entire country decimated, the world economy thrown into chaos for the unforeseeable future, where is the upside?
It's easy to use throwaway lines about reduction of population by the mass human destruction of warfare when one is not among those being "reduced".
bladeracer wrote:Lazarus wrote:@Bladeracer
As someone who knows, personally, people who have died as a direct result of Putin's war on Ukraine, please tell me Blade, of one positive thing about it. Just one.
Hundreds of thousands dead, tens of millions displaced, an entire country decimated, the world economy thrown into chaos for the unforeseeable future, where is the upside?
It's easy to use throwaway lines about reduction of population by the mass human destruction of warfare when one is not among those being "reduced".
Don't mistake me for somebody that wants war, or enjoys its existence. I personally know people that have come through wars, and been damaged for the rest of their lives as a result, including my own father. War is no different to disease, famines, or massive natural disasters, all destroy human life, countries, and radically alters the course of people's lives, forever. These all leave permanent scars on the planet, and the people.
The positives I've already talked about, all of out technological, scientific, societal and medical advances are enormously accelerated by warfare. Without countries willing to hurl trillions of dollars into searching for better ways to wage war all of these advances would remain mired in lack of financial incentives making such studies non-viable, even for the wealthiest of countries.
Lazarus wrote:I'll agree that the mass death and suffering of war does act as a stimulus to find better ways to wage the mass death and suffering of warfare, and that when millions have died, those who survive can enjoy concomitant benefits, but FMD, surely it would be better overall if the money spent was used for peaceful purposes.
I'm still waiting for the upside of the current world war.
bladeracer wrote:Lazarus wrote:I'll agree that the mass death and suffering of war does act as a stimulus to find better ways to wage the mass death and suffering of warfare, and that when millions have died, those who survive can enjoy concomitant benefits, but FMD, surely it would be better overall if the money spent was used for peaceful purposes.
I'm still waiting for the upside of the current world war.
Yep, but how do you go about convincing a government to transfer its military funding, and all of the employment, industry and infrastructure that includes, into studying all the things that the military invents, prototypes, tests, and then mass produce them so they're cheap enough for people to afford? Things that are not going to return any financial profit within a lifetime?