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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by MeccaOz » 18 Jun 2014, 9:52 pm

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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by MeccaOz » 18 Jun 2014, 9:53 pm

meek wrote:That's pretty heavy/long for a .308 though right?

Would many have the twist fast enough to shoot it well?

I thought 160-180gr was usual .308 territory?


I have a 1:10 twist ... Well i will do when the license goes through :)
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by Westy » 19 Jun 2014, 7:28 am

meek wrote:That's pretty heavy/long for a .308 though right?

Would many have the twist fast enough to shoot it well?

I thought 160-180gr was usual .308 territory?


I like 150 and it kills most everything in Oz but a 1in 10 will stabilize UP TO A 220grn pill :ugeek: :geek: :ugeek: seen a 190 grn 1 shot kill on a scrub bull last year was clean fast and very effective
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by MeccaOz » 19 Jun 2014, 8:06 am

Westy wrote: I like 150 and it kills most everything in Oz but a 1in 10 will stabilize UP TO A 220grn pill :ugeek: :geek: :ugeek: seen a 190 grn 1 shot kill on a scrub bull last year was clean fast and very effective


Your right Westy. I might just have to work on putting the bullet in the right place :D
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by Hercl » 19 Jun 2014, 8:41 am

meek wrote:That's pretty heavy/long for a .308 though right?

Would many have the twist fast enough to shoot it well?

I thought 160-180gr was usual .308 territory?


It's at the top end, but really comes down to the bullet.

A particular long 210gr VLD match bullet probably isn't going to fly in your average hunting rifle (and to be fair whoever built it as a hunting rifle wouldn't have intended it to).

A 210gr hunting bullet though will have a much different ogive, be shorter, probably a shorter boat tail or flat base, less prominent tip (soft point or wide hollow point) etc.
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by tactice » 19 Jun 2014, 8:43 am

"I thought 160-180gr was usual .308 territory?"

More recoil from heavy bullets too don't forget.

No point shooting 210gr for the sake of it when a 150gr will do the same job.

Easier on the shoulder, and wallet.
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by lole » 19 Jun 2014, 8:44 am

tactice wrote:No point shooting 210gr for the sake of it when a 150gr will do the same job.


Not much in Aus that will stand up to a 150gr either.
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Post by MrClark » 30 Jun 2014, 10:58 am

I'm curious about this too, not the bloke in the dress HAHAHA id rather forget i saw that!!!

Would the .338 WM do a good job on em? I chose it for Sambar hunts over in VIC as it shares the same trajectory as your .308's and .30-06's but it'd be handy if I could take it up NT as well.
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by Noisydad » 30 Jun 2014, 3:02 pm

Did you see all those little holes in the "crocs" - that's where all your dignity falls out!
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by Warrigul » 30 Jun 2014, 3:19 pm

I've often wondered how my .577 snider would go on something big. It may be a bloody big pill but it moves very slow and is soft lead, after a lot of fiddling it is 4" accurate at 100m but anything other than soft lead and the skirts break off and it becomes minute of barn door.

But then they did used to hunt elephant with them..........................

I'll stick to my .300wm.
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by BBJ » 02 Jul 2014, 11:24 am

MrClark wrote:Would the .338 WM do a good job on em? I chose it for Sambar hunts over in VIC as it shares the same trajectory as your .308's and .30-06's but it'd be handy if I could take it up NT as well.


The old "what's a suitable buffalo cartridge" is an ongoing and heated argument. Anything from the .270 to .5+ calibres depending on who you ask.

.338 WM will do it. Personally I wouldn't go any lower than that for a regular Buffalo rifle.

Anything left of those deer after you hit them with it? ;)
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Post by bunnybuster » 17 Jul 2014, 12:04 am

Warrigul wrote:I've often wondered how my .577 snider would go on something big. It may be a bloody big pill but it moves very slow and is soft lead, after a lot of fiddling it is 4" accurate at 100m but anything other than soft lead and the skirts break off and it becomes minute of barn door.

But then they did used to hunt elephant with them..........................

I'll stick to my .300wm.


I think more than a couple Snider users became bloody smears in the grass trying to kill old Tembo with a 577 lead pill,

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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by Chronos » 17 Jul 2014, 8:09 am

the search is over fellas, i saw this one and thought of you Mecca

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CZ550 Safari Magnum in 458 LOTT, load it upp with 450gr solid at 2400fps and you've got nearly 6000 foot pounds of energy.

an old saying comes to mind, the hunter fires, both the animal and the hunter hit the deck. the first one to his feet wins :lol:

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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by wrenchman » 17 Jul 2014, 8:47 am

How big do scrub bulls get I have the idea of the size to your water buff and I would say something big if they compare in size.
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by MeccaOz » 17 Jul 2014, 11:44 am

Chronos wrote:the search is over fellas, i saw this one and thought of you Mecca

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CZ550 Safari Magnum in 458 LOTT, load it upp with 450gr solid at 2400fps and you've got nearly 6000 foot pounds of energy.

an old saying comes to mind, the hunter fires, both the animal and the hunter hit the deck. the first one to his feet wins :lol:

http://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=39380

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Laffin I wonder If I'll have a shoulder left ?????

Well Wrenchman, they can be huge beasts of things ... And meaner
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by Prios » 18 Jul 2014, 1:11 pm

Definitely the kind of gun you don't want to miss with,

Wouldn't be looking forward to that second followup shot :lol:
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by MrClark » 18 Jul 2014, 4:49 pm

BBJ wrote:
MrClark wrote:Would the .338 WM do a good job on em? I chose it for Sambar hunts over in VIC as it shares the same trajectory as your .308's and .30-06's but it'd be handy if I could take it up NT as well.


The old "what's a suitable buffalo cartridge" is an ongoing and heated argument. Anything from the .270 to .5+ calibres depending on who you ask.

.338 WM will do it. Personally I wouldn't go any lower than that for a regular Buffalo rifle.

Anything left of those deer after you hit them with it? ;)


guess the old "shot placement" is king here.

Hahaha havent hit a deer with it yet, but Sambar is what its for, not much left of the shoulder hahaha
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Post by yoshie » 19 Jul 2014, 1:33 pm

9.3x62 would get my vote. 338WM has another level of recoil. The best cartridge for shooting big game would be the biggest one you can shoot actually without flinching. For some that's 308, others 458.
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by jordy » 21 Jul 2014, 3:03 pm

MrClark wrote:Hahaha havent hit a deer with it yet, but Sambar is what its for, not much left of the shoulder hahaha


Or the shoulder on the other side I reckon :)
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by wrenchman » 28 Jul 2014, 6:03 am

Is there a minimum caliber for scrub bulls
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Post by Grrzrr » 28 Jul 2014, 10:12 pm

Not legally here no. I don't believe so.

It's only deer here that we have legal requirements for calibre.

For buff we're left to choose an appropriate calibre ourselves.
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Post by Wobble » 28 Jul 2014, 10:15 pm

wrenchman wrote:Is there a minimum caliber for scrub bulls


Some good talk on suitable buffalo calibres by some of the guys if you were interested.

Mixed in with a bit of other info but plenty there.
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by troyboy » 09 Sep 2014, 2:37 pm

Haven't had the chance yet to shoot a buff but I have knocked plenty of bulls with a .270 and .308. I know an old rigger that use to do a lot of bore running on the stations he worked on and he has shot hundreds of bulls with his .308. Might be a little small to consistently shot buffs tho.
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by brett1868 » 09 Sep 2014, 11:05 pm

How about one of these ? :-)
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by MeccaOz » 10 Sep 2014, 4:28 pm

Laffin .... be fun :)
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by 1290 » 10 Sep 2014, 4:40 pm

Well brett1868, you might be a small person with small hands, a dwarf and that there be a 30-ought....
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by agentzero » 10 Sep 2014, 9:11 pm

Somebody's 2 year old holding a .223 even maybe? :lol:
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

Post by Bennybigbores » 13 Sep 2014, 9:57 pm

Only real option here is the 585HE
Google it.........
Only one custom made in Australia so far, I think you should make it two.
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Re: Scrub Bull Cartridge

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Post by Bennybigbores » 14 Sep 2014, 10:19 pm

So Mecca whens your 585 HE turn up, pretty wild looking round have to remortgage the house to go hunting for the weekend but who can put a price on fun and fire power!
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