300 AAC Blackout fad over?

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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by JimTom » 30 Jul 2019, 9:31 am

Yep like you mate I love it. Great bit of kit. :drinks:
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by SCJ429 » 30 Jul 2019, 8:17 pm

Nice work, heaps of options there. You have a good load for all three projectiles right there.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by jovialjosie2002 » 24 Aug 2019, 7:50 pm

i still plan on buying a CZ 527 carbine in 7.62X39, to me the 300 offers an alternative but the only advantage it has is 308 bullets

Firstly....your cz527 in 7.62x39 WILL SHOOT .308 PROJECTILES JUST FINE.....mine does.....
Secondly.....buy anything but a cz527 in 7.62x39...it just wont feed properly....get a Howa or Ruger in 7.62x39....and shoot Hornady steel case sst....they're only 90 cents a round....it aint worth reloading...
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by SCJ429 » 24 Aug 2019, 8:49 pm

If you want good results Josie, it is always worth reloading.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Blr243 » 25 Aug 2019, 6:04 am

No, the blackout fad is not over , mine has just been cased and bore sighted and it’s headed for the bush tonight
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by JimTom » 25 Aug 2019, 6:06 am

Enjoy it mate. Great little round.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by in2anity » 25 Aug 2019, 9:17 am

jovialjosie2002 wrote:i still plan on buying a CZ 527 carbine in 7.62X39, to me the 300 offers an alternative but the only advantage it has is 308 bullets

Firstly....your cz527 in 7.62x39 WILL SHOOT .308 PROJECTILES JUST FINE.....mine does.....
Secondly.....buy anything but a cz527 in 7.62x39...it just wont feed properly....get a Howa or Ruger in 7.62x39....and shoot Hornady steel case sst....they're only 90 cents a round....it aint worth reloading...


And what happens if your cheap ammo doesn't shoot well? Besides, with the Speer bullet I can reload the BLK for 53c each...

When it comes to proper diameter - call me old fashioned, but I like shooting a 308 pill in a 308 barrel, and a 311 pill in a 311 barrel - this has nothing to do with safety, I just think you will suffer a pretty wild std dev if you use undersized bullets.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by JimTom » 25 Aug 2019, 9:55 am

jovialjosie2002 wrote:i still plan on buying a CZ 527 carbine in 7.62X39, to me the 300 offers an alternative but the only advantage it has is 308 bullets

Firstly....your cz527 in 7.62x39 WILL SHOOT .308 PROJECTILES JUST FINE.....mine does.....
Secondly.....buy anything but a cz527 in 7.62x39...it just wont feed properly....get a Howa or Ruger in 7.62x39....and shoot Hornady steel case sst....they're only 90 cents a round....it aint worth reloading...


Mate I have seen that Hornady steel case 7.62x39 perform quite well out of the Ruger American Ranch and also quite good from the CZ527. It does shoot well. Not sure about the feed problems you’ve had in the CZ527, I have never experienced the same.
As for cost, I can reload the 300AAC for a lot less than 0.90c a shot, and with exceptional accuracy.
I was considering both of these cartridges at the time of purchase however went with the blackout as I had plenty of suitable .308 projectiles, and I liked the fact that brass can be formed easily from .223.
As for using .308 projectiles in a .311 barrel, probably not something that’s i would try. Glad to hear it works ok for you. Each to their own.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by meawls » 25 Aug 2019, 3:36 pm

in2anity wrote:[attachment=0]mixed.jpg[/attachment

At this point, I'm going to say the little RARR-300aac is a true one-minute gun. The cartridge is certainly a lot finickier than say a 223, but using the collet die, it's a superb handloader's cartridge. Neck tension with this cartridge seems particularly pertinent. The 300aac is economical, low recoiling, has excellent case life and runs cool.

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My RARR shot 1.125” with the 125Gn TNT’s @ 100M using 5.5Gns of TB and Federal BR primers. 14.9Gns of 296 behind 165Gn Ballistic Tips got me 24mm and 1770FPS. So you’re right on the money with the MOA thing. I hadn’t bothered to set up the chrony for the TNT load, but an identical load with the 130Gn varmints showed 980FPS.

Whether I record imperial or metric seems to revolve around whether I remember to take the calliper with me!!

Does anybody else have feeding issues with the Lucky 13 mags?? I realise the combo is still quite new/bedding in ... but I have yet to have a single 10 rounds go through without a problem of some darned type ...
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by in2anity » 25 Aug 2019, 4:39 pm

meawls wrote:
in2anity wrote:[attachment=0]mixed.jpg[/attachment

At this point, I'm going to say the little RARR-300aac is a true one-minute gun. The cartridge is certainly a lot finickier than say a 223, but using the collet die, it's a superb handloader's cartridge. Neck tension with this cartridge seems particularly pertinent. The 300aac is economical, low recoiling, has excellent case life and runs cool.

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My RARR shot 1.125” with the 125Gn TNT’s @ 100M using 5.5Gns of TB and Federal BR primers. 14.9Gns of 296 behind 165Gn Ballistic Tips got me 24mm and 1770FPS. So you’re right on the money with the MOA thing. I hadn’t bothered to set up the chrony for the TNT load, but an identical load with the 130Gn varmints showed 980FPS.

Whether I record imperial or metric seems to revolve around whether I remember to take the calliper with me!!

Does anybody else have feeding issues with the Lucky 13 mags?? I realise the combo is still quite new/bedding in ... but I have yet to have a single 10 rounds go through without a problem of some darned type ...


The l13 mag I have only feeds the tnts if I close the bolt fast, and even then it’s hard on my brass. And my l13 doesn’t feed the ssts at all - but the ssts feed well out of the rotary mag.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by in2anity » 25 Aug 2019, 5:53 pm

jovialjosie2002 wrote:i still plan on buying a CZ 527 carbine in 7.62X39, to me the 300 offers an alternative but the only advantage it has is 308 bullets

Firstly....your cz527 in 7.62x39 WILL SHOOT .308 PROJECTILES JUST FINE.....mine does.....
Secondly.....buy anything but a cz527 in 7.62x39...it just wont feed properly....get a Howa or Ruger in 7.62x39....and shoot Hornady steel case sst....they're only 90 cents a round....it aint worth reloading...


The main benefit of the 7.62x39 is see is case capacity- I think it's something like 50% larger than the blackout. The blackout is a little susceptible to windage... just can’t fit enough powder in
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by in2anity » 23 Sep 2019, 8:26 am

Using the little 16" Ruger blackout, I shot this group from the 300m line at ANZAC on the weekend. We had a 15-20km/h 8-oclock crosswind:

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300m, 9-shot group, 15-20km/h 8-oclock crosswind
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I've shot a fair few different bullets through her now, and the Speer TNT is the clear favorite. Overall it groups better than the Hornady bullets. A 125gr projectile with at least -0.003" of neck tension and a moderate crimp seems optimal for this barrel+action.

I was also shooting my 308 Tikka CTR with the exact same bullet over a safe amount of AR2207 (38gr). At 300m, the little blackout was grouping only marginally worse than the 308 spitting them out 800fps faster.

This particular group was better than some of the "tacti-cool" setups on the line shooting factory 6.5cm :lol: moral of the story, don't bash based on other people's heresay.

One thing I might add, the listed BC for the Speer bullet is a fair way off out of the blackout. I'm (currently) extrapolating 0.27 instead of the listed 0.341. I can only presume Speer averages this based on significantly faster muzzle velocities.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by vmaxaust » 15 Oct 2019, 3:35 pm

Not over for me. I have a Ruger Ranch rifle in 300BLK and a Warwick with several barrels...14" 300BLK and a 223 version. The AR mags are wonderful on the Warwick for both calibres. Accuracy? plenty accurate for all but the nuts who need to put 10 rounds into a 5 cent piece at 200 meters. The Ruger by the way with its 16" barrel is amazingly accurate for such a "fad" cartridge and low cost rifle.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by JimTom » 15 Oct 2019, 5:36 pm

vmaxaust wrote:Not over for me. I have a Ruger Ranch rifle in 300BLK and a Warwick with several barrels...14" 300BLK and a 223 version. The AR mags are wonderful on the Warwick for both calibres. Accuracy? plenty accurate for all but the nuts who need to put 10 rounds into a 5 cent piece at 200 meters. The Ruger by the way with its 16" barrel is amazingly accurate for such a "fad" cartridge and low cost rifle.


Agreed. The River American Ranch in 300 AAC exceeded my expectations for sure mate.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by gunnnie » 15 Oct 2019, 9:56 pm

It still has a place in my safe. That little Ruger performs well outside what you would expect.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Bill » 16 Oct 2019, 7:33 am

ahhh the hard core gang of silenter hunters is still alive :lol: , I know one of the first rifles I'll always grab for a hunt is the 30 30 or the little old Ruski .......NOT :sarcasm:
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by JimTom » 17 Oct 2019, 6:23 am

:lol: Ahhhh good to see the haters are still about too. The 300AAC has its place, as does just about every other cartridge.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by bladeracer » 17 Oct 2019, 6:30 am

JimTom wrote::lol: Ahhhh good to see the haters are still about too. The 300AAC has its place, as does just about every other cartridge.


Except the .350 Legend, although it is an excuse to get another Ruger American :-)
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Bill » 17 Oct 2019, 6:54 am

JimTom wrote::lol: Ahhhh good to see the haters are still about too. The 300AAC has its place, as does just about every other cartridge.


Just like the Mardi Gra, the 300 BK also has its place, you keep convincing yourself mate :lol:
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by JimTom » 17 Oct 2019, 6:58 am

bladeracer wrote:
JimTom wrote::lol: Ahhhh good to see the haters are still about too. The 300AAC has its place, as does just about every other cartridge.


Except the .350 Legend, although it is an excuse to get another Ruger American :-)


:lol: :lol: :lol: very true mate. I did think of that actual round when typing my last reply. Can’t say I’d go out and buy one, nevertheless someone might rate it, and like you say, any excuse for a new rifle. :drinks: :drinks:
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by in2anity » 17 Oct 2019, 8:06 am

TIL many states allowed straight-walled cartidridges during their shotgun or muzzleloader deer seasons. And (unlike the 357 max) the 350 legend will flow into the AR market.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by JimTom » 17 Oct 2019, 8:17 am

Bill wrote:
JimTom wrote::lol: Ahhhh good to see the haters are still about too. The 300AAC has its place, as does just about every other cartridge.


Just like the Mardi Gra, the 300 BK also has its place, you keep convincing yourself mate :lol:



I don’t know why I am even entertaining this however here goes. For close range pig hunting off a bike it serves its purpose, it’s effective, cheap to run, easy to shoot all day long. Obviously it’s not something you use for long range moose hunting. Horses for courses. By the way, do you have one? Just because you don’t personally see the need for it doesn’t necessarily mean it is useless to other people either.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by bladeracer » 17 Oct 2019, 8:45 am

in2anity wrote:TIL many states allowed straight-walled cartidridges during their shotgun or muzzleloader deer seasons. And (unlike the 357 max) the 350 legend will flow into the AR market.


Which is fine in those few localities, but doesn't apply down here where we don't need straight-wall cartridges or have AR15's.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Bill » 17 Oct 2019, 9:06 am

JimTom I see no need for a 300BLKT when I already have a 256 win and 357 magnum..... :lol:
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by JimTom » 17 Oct 2019, 9:13 am

Bill wrote:JimTom I see no need for a 300BLKT when I already have a 256 win and 357 magnum..... :lol:


Yes mate I fully understand that. I see no need for a .222 as I already have a .223, or for a 6.5x55 as I have a 6.5CM, that doesn’t mean the .222 and 6.5x55 are useless cartridges though.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by vmaxaust » 17 Oct 2019, 9:27 am

The truth is, there are frankly no seriously useless cartridges. People go out and buy a flavour of the month rifle in the latest fad calibre all the time. Unless they chose incorrectly for their very specific application, they all shoot, can be reloaded and to some degree developed for the individual rifle. Yes maybe a person could have done slightly better in accuracy, maybe better from the viewpoint of cost of ammo if not reloading but bottom line the difference between this fad cartridge and rifle versus something else is often bugger all in the real world.
I love my 300BLK, my 303's and my 223's because they suit my needs and enjoyment better than anything else. That's me! For someone else the opposite may be true. Still does not justify bagging any calibre as a fad or a useless cartridge.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by in2anity » 17 Oct 2019, 9:31 am

I'll say it once, i'll say it again, it's a handloader's cartridge. It reloads with the ease of a pistol carrtridge, has excellent case life, runs super economically and has a disgusting amount of projectile choice. It brings a lot of joy to the experimental type. Once you reload for it you catch the bug.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by JimTom » 17 Oct 2019, 9:44 am

vmaxaust wrote:The truth is, there are frankly no seriously useless cartridges. People go out and buy a flavour of the month rifle in the latest fad calibre all the time. Unless they chose incorrectly for their very specific application, they all shoot, can be reloaded and to some degree developed for the individual rifle. Yes maybe a person could have done slightly better in accuracy, maybe better from the viewpoint of cost of ammo if not reloading but bottom line the difference between this fad cartridge and rifle versus something else is often bugger all in the real world.
I love my 300BLK, my 303's and my 223's because they suit my needs and enjoyment better than anything else. That's me! For someone else the opposite may be true. Still does not justify bagging any calibre as a fad or a useless cartridge.


Exactly. Great reply mate. :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by wanneroo » 17 Oct 2019, 11:15 am

in2anity wrote:I'll say it once, i'll say it again, it's a handloader's cartridge. It reloads with the ease of a pistol carrtridge, has excellent case life, runs super economically and has a disgusting amount of projectile choice. It brings a lot of joy to the experimental type. Once you reload for it you catch the bug.


It's certainly a handloaders cartridge to get the best out of it and to do so economically.

A friend of my dads wants to buy an AR-15 and my dad said get a 300 Blackout and I talked him out of it because he just wants a rifle for plinking. There is no real advantage to buying 300 BO just for that and it's cheaper just to get a regular 223/5.56 AR.

I am way behind on my 300 Blackout reloading but that's ok, I've been enjoying having some time away from working during the Indian Summer weather this fall and doing outdoor activities such as shooting. Winter is clearly on the way now, so probably in the depths of winter I'll be working on some of that reloading.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by in2anity » 17 Oct 2019, 12:28 pm

wanneroo wrote:There is no real advantage to buying 300 BO just for that and it's cheaper just to get a regular 223/5.56 AR.

No there's not. I somewhat hoped the 300aac's wind-bucking ability would trump the 223 due to the inherently heavier pill, but this is sadly not the case. The listed g1 bcs are usually always geared towards 308 territory; the slower muzzle velocity of the 300aac really hurting in thiis regard. One must extrapolate their bc and prepare to be dissapointed, There's something trully magical about the minimalised time of flight found in fast 22cals; very hard to beat when close-to-mid range target shooting, and the pillls are obviously going to be generally cheaper...
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