300 AAC Blackout fad over?

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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by bobnob » 30 Apr 2015, 9:28 am

I'd certainly consider the Blackout / AAC in a small action scaled around the little cartridge. Can't see ANY point in chambering it in a 308-size action.

You can always load the 308 down a bit.

I really hope that Howa chamber their new Mini-action in the 300AAC, and that they import them of course.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by CustomPC » 30 Apr 2015, 9:48 am

bobnob wrote:I really hope that Howa chamber their new Mini-action in the 300AAC, and that they import them of course.


Oh.... Do you have any links to that Mini-Action? It's the first i've heard of it.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Chronos » 30 Apr 2015, 11:48 am

bobnob wrote:I'd certainly consider the Blackout / AAC in a small action scaled around the little cartridge. Can't see ANY point in chambering it in a 308-size action.

You can always load the 308 down a bit.

I really hope that Howa chamber their new Mini-action in the 300AAC, and that they import them of course.


CZ already do their 527 mini mauser action in 7.62X39, hard to make a case for a 300BO but there are a few guys rebarreling .223 527's in 300AAC and a better choice IMHO 300 Filski, a full length .223 case necked up to 30cal

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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by bobnob » 30 Apr 2015, 4:26 pm

CustomPC wrote:
bobnob wrote:I really hope that Howa chamber their new Mini-action in the 300AAC, and that they import them of course.


Oh.... Do you have any links to that Mini-Action? It's the first i've heard of it.



http://www.legacysports.com/mini-action-rife

Looks good if you ask me.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by The Brass » 05 May 2015, 9:40 am

Chronos wrote:hard to make a case for a 300BO but there are a few guys rebarreling .223 527's in 300AAC and a better choice IMHO 300 Filski, a full length .223 case necked up to 30cal


You know the cartridges development history I'm sure, that it was designed for suppressed military use in short-mid range actions. Which it's probably perfect for. Horses for courses, right?

I wouldn't knock it, but it was certainly over hyped to start. We can thank the US mall-ninjas for that I guess.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Title_II » 05 May 2015, 8:49 pm

It wouldn't particularly shine in Australia. It's built around the AR-15 and magazines, 5.56 brass, with full power and subsonic options at the whim of the shooter with no changes to the configuration of the rifle. It's obvious why it is popular in the US. It uses all the same gear as your AR-15, just a different barrel.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Arth » 06 May 2015, 9:24 am

No AR-15s and no suppressors here which gimps it a bit :(
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Title_II » 06 May 2015, 11:27 am

Arth wrote:No AR-15s and no suppressors here which gimps it a bit :(



Absolutely. I didn't even like the idea when it came out. The subsonic .300 has the energy of a .45, so I figured why bother?

But when you throw in the improved ballistics (subsonic), AR commonality, and ability to switch to supersonic rifle ammo without changing anything I guess it makes sense. I don't have one but friends do. Without any of that stuff, it's a niche round and if you like it I guess you like it.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by AusC » 10 May 2015, 10:21 am

lmao, what a setup.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by deye243 » 10 May 2015, 9:29 pm

with all the hassle of making cases or buying over priced when i can afford it i

will be doing a 30 apache , easy to load sub or full house that rival the 30-30 .
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Chronos » 10 May 2015, 9:36 pm

deye243 wrote:with all the hassle of making cases or buying over priced when i can afford it i

will be doing a 30 apache , easy to load sub or full house that rival the 30-30 .


check out the 300 Filski

http://www.filskis.com/323_FILSKI.html

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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Franky » 11 May 2015, 6:23 am

That 300 Filski looks the goods but you'd have to prep your own cases right can't buy them over the counter yet right?
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Korkt » 11 May 2015, 8:49 am

Franky wrote:That 300 Filski looks the goods but you'd have to prep your own cases right can't buy them over the counter yet right?


You would, but should only be a matter of necking up .223 brass which is everywhere.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Franky » 15 May 2015, 8:20 pm

What is a 300 AAC
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by BBJ » 19 May 2015, 12:03 pm

Franky wrote:What is a 300 AAC


It's a rifle cartridge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_AAC_Bl ... %9735mm%29

It's a .223 case necked up to take a 30 calibre bullet.

The trade is you get a low recoil reasonably strong hitting cartridge but with limited range.

Shorter range than both the .223 and .308, not as flat shooting either but harder hitting than the .223 and lower recoil than the .308.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by RoginaJack » 24 May 2015, 1:52 pm

Westy wrote:Well I read a lot of negatives here about the 300 blackout, quick question do any of you own one???? Well I do so I think I can comment more so than the rest of you and say your right up to a point but don't knock it till you try it as they say!!!!

Well sometimes if you don't know s**t from clay your better not saying anything as I'll be.............. :lol: :D :lol:


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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Oldbloke » 24 May 2015, 9:47 pm

I cant see that it is much different from 7.62x39 or 30-30. There are so mant different rounds out there to choose from, realisticly do we need more?
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by deye243 » 24 May 2015, 11:21 pm

Chronos wrote:
deye243 wrote:with all the hassle of making cases or buying over priced when i can afford it i

will be doing a 30 apache , easy to load sub or full house that rival the 30-30 .


check out the 300 Filski

http://www.filskis.com/323_FILSKI.html

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same "crap" different jar might be an improved case but looks like a 30apache to me
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by The Brass » 25 May 2015, 11:44 am

Oldbloke wrote:I cant see that it is much different from 7.62x39 or 30-30. There are so mant different rounds out there to choose from, realisticly do we need more?


"we" average joe shooter like you and I, I'd say no.

As mentioned though it was designed for a specific military purpose.

Makes perfect sense there, down to personal taste outside of that setting.

Whatever the reason lots seem to like it.

Maybe 30-30 feels out-dated to some shooters? :unknown:
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by sandgroperbill » 25 May 2015, 11:59 am

I think its going to be a successful round. It will survive and be easily enough obtained due to it being adopted by militaries, and it makes a lot os fense to our american friends with AR platforms, so it is more likely to survive than and be readily available, without the added effort and time involved with other similar rounds. That would probably be its main advantage over here. Take that out of the equation and its much a muchness with the other rounds available.

But... Is it capable? Yes.
Does it serve a purpose? Yes
Is it any less legitimate than other rounds? No
Like pretty much all calibres, its a matter of personal opinion. But I suppose that it would also appeal to some as it is a new military round.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Carter » 26 May 2015, 2:44 pm

It already is from the looks of it.

Not such a huge following here but from all accounts it's already very popular in the states and they do most of the buying.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Franky » 26 May 2015, 3:39 pm

I reckon it's awesome as they use 2 NATO Cal which are already Available and combine them to get a hard hitting cheap to reload cartridge IMHO
Isn't 30-30 like 1800's or something LMAO
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Oldbloke » 26 May 2015, 6:08 pm

"Maybe 30-30 feels out-dated to some shooters? :unknown:" It was my first center fire. Shot heaps of pigs and goats with a Marlin lever. Just a bugger you need to use flat or round nose projectiles. Often regret selling that lever, I loved it, but needed the cash for the Mod 70 3006.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Franky » 26 May 2015, 7:09 pm

Yep I was only joking my 1st CF rifle other than a 303 was a model 94 30-30
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Combat_Wombat » 26 May 2015, 8:54 pm

Oldbloke wrote:"Maybe 30-30 feels out-dated to some shooters? :unknown:" It was my first center fire. Shot heaps of pigs and goats with a Marlin lever. Just a bugger you need to use flat or round nose projectiles. Often regret selling that lever, I loved it, but needed the cash for the Mod 70 3006.


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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Harper » 27 May 2015, 3:50 pm

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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Rocker » 02 Nov 2015, 8:08 am

That's definitely and interesting looking lever-action.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by Homer » 02 Nov 2015, 8:12 am

G'Day Fella's,

Rocker (sorry I haven't read any of the posts after your initial post on this thread.

FYI, I personally can't see the purpose of the .300 AAC BO, unless you are using it thru an AR or a rifle that utilises an AR type magazine!
Personally, I have been using the 7.62x39 cartridge with reduced loads (using Trail Boss) and bullet weights, from 130 to 180grns, with very good results!!!
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FYI, I have a number of customers, that have .300 AAC BO's and many of them have had problems finding Safe working loads in these rifles!

Hope that helps

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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by The Brass » 04 Nov 2015, 12:53 pm

Homer wrote:I personally can't see the purpose of the .300 AAC BO, unless you are using it thru an AR or a rifle that utilises an AR type magazine!


That was the idea.

The project's goals were:

Create a reliable compact .30-cal solution for AR platform
Use existing inventory magazines while retaining their full capacity
Create the optimal platform for sound and flash suppressed fire
Create compatible supersonic ammo that matches 7.62×39mm ballistics
Provide the ability to penetrate barriers with high-mass projectiles
Provide all capabilities in a shorter, lightweight, durable, and low recoiling package


It was designed for military purposes which don't translate all that well to most civie applications. It's easy enough to make arguments why it's not the best choice hunting/target shooting but I'll still get a lot of jobs done, and if people want to spend there money on one and enjoy it who's to say they're wrong really.
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Re: 300 AAC Blackout fad over?

Post by sandgroperbill » 04 Nov 2015, 11:08 pm

In a light rifle with a short barrel, it would make for a pretty decent pig gun.
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