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308w vs 3006s

Post by Goshawk » 30 Dec 2014, 12:00 pm

Question,
Will a 3006 be more powerful than a 308 at any barrel length? Or is there no difference once you get to 16-17 inches.
This is for 180 to 200 grain projectiles
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Post by North East » 30 Dec 2014, 12:36 pm

I know which one I prefer.
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Post by Noisydad » 30 Dec 2014, 12:51 pm

I get .30-06. He only get .308 - everybody know it for girls! (for Borat fans) :-D
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Post by wrenchman » 30 Dec 2014, 3:41 pm

lol boy this one will start a fight it is like asking what is better a 270 or a 06 there is no right or wrong it is a personel choice.
I like the 06 it is just what i like and the heavy rounds i can get for it i tend to be old school like that.
A lot of the younger guys like the 308 i think amo is easy to come by with it being nato round and it is what they have shot if they were in the service .
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Post by sbd3927 » 30 Dec 2014, 7:27 pm

If your goal is 180-200 gn then the 30'06 might be better, I don't know what twist rates they have, but reccomendations for 308's with heavier pills is 1in10. However most of the rifles I looked at recently come with 1in12 rifling. I went for the 308, and not likely to want to play with subsonic 200g pills, so 1in12 was good enough. Also since that's what the gun I liked the handling of the most came with, thats what I got :). Also lesser recoil, I'm new to centrefire so I don't need a stronger kick increasing odds of developing a flinch habit.

Depends on many things, including what you want to shoot. I'm most likely to shoot targets, bulls and sambar, so 308 covers that.
There's a fair bit of comparison information in google if you search 308 vs 30'06.
Accuracy wise the consensus seems to be long range target shooting considers the 308 to have the edge, probably due to better, even burning of the powder in near full cartridges (think what happens with 80% load and cartridge lying sideways.

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Post by BBJ » 31 Dec 2014, 3:12 pm

Goshawk wrote:Will a 3006 be more powerful than a 308 at any barrel length? Or is there no difference once you get to 16-17 inches.
This is for 180 to 200 grain projectiles


Without going to some ridiculous sawn off length where the powder burn isn't finished yeah.

180gr-200gr is really 30-06 territory though.

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Post by Gregg » 31 Dec 2014, 3:14 pm

Maximum damage with a 200gr, 30-06 for sure.
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Post by Tiiger » 31 Dec 2014, 3:15 pm

16" 30-06... Hope you've got good hearing protection.
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Post by Pom » 31 Dec 2014, 3:17 pm

North East wrote:I know which one I prefer.


Whataya got there NE? Tikka Lite?
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Post by North East » 31 Dec 2014, 9:06 pm

Yep...T3 Lite .30-06.

My favourite rifle...kicks a bit but manageable.
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Post by North East » 31 Dec 2014, 9:29 pm

....and an Aimpoint H34S Hunter 1X red dot.
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Post by North East » 31 Dec 2014, 9:50 pm

Who needs magnification. This will get you out to 300 yards with no parallax error. The tape over the muzzle is a Victorian thing...just shoot it off.
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Post by Goshawk » 01 Jan 2015, 6:32 am

I'm mainly going to use it for fallow but I want it super short (less than a metre overall ) and lite for throwing it over my shoulder and using the Ktm to access the back of some super big mountainous properties. I could probably get a 4x4 in but it would take hours longer and shake it to pieces.
I was thinking of something cheap like a Ruger American compact in 308w with a Bushnell TRS red dot. Should only cost about $680, so not too painful if the bike takes me for a 'mystical journey ' off track. Also, it will be 98 cm and under 3kg.
To lose any more weight in would need to spend an extra $1000
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Post by Westy » 01 Jan 2015, 6:34 am

X 2 on the barrel tape!!!! :geek: :| :ugeek:
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Post by North East » 01 Jan 2015, 8:39 am

Goshawk wrote:I'm mainly going to use it for fallow but I want it super short (less than a metre overall ) and lite for throwing it over my shoulder and using the Ktm to access the back of some super big mountainous properties. I could probably get a 4x4 in but it would take hours longer and shake it to pieces.
I was thinking of something cheap like a Ruger American compact in 308w with a Bushnell TRS red dot. Should only cost about $680, so not too painful if the bike takes me for a 'mystical journey ' off track. Also, it will be 98 cm and under 3kg.
To lose any more weight in would need to spend an extra $1000


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Post by Oldbloke » 01 Jan 2015, 8:50 am

Goshawk. I also wanted a light weight budget rifle. ( not a huge amout of use) Ended up buying a BA Marlin x7 in 3006 and later another in 223. About 6 1/2 lb bare. They Dont look much but both shoot sub moa with reloads. Interestingly both seem to prefer mild reloads. The 223 had a sticky magazine when i got it home but fixed it my self. Otherwise very happy with both. They are available in most popular calibres. If you shop around well under $600.
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Post by Goshawk » 01 Jan 2015, 9:26 am

North East wrote:
Goshawk wrote:I'm mainly going to use it for fallow but I want it super short (less than a metre overall ) and lite for throwing it over my shoulder and using the Ktm to access the back of some super big mountainous properties. I could probably get a 4x4 in but it would take hours longer and shake it to pieces.
I was thinking of something cheap like a Ruger American compact in 308w with a Bushnell TRS red dot. Should only cost about $680, so not too painful if the bike takes me for a 'mystical journey ' off track. Also, it will be 98 cm and under 3kg.
To lose any more weight in would need to spend an extra $1000


My T3 Lite .30-06 weighs 6.9 Ibs with the scope...very light.

Nice, I was thinking of getting one of those but in 338federal but the whole thing is too long.
The ruger weight is 6lb, pretty sure the trs should be lite too
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Post by North East » 01 Jan 2015, 9:41 am

Goshawk wrote:
North East wrote:
Goshawk wrote:I'm mainly going to use it for fallow but I want it super short (less than a metre overall ) and lite for throwing it over my shoulder and using the Ktm to access the back of some super big mountainous properties. I could probably get a 4x4 in but it would take hours longer and shake it to pieces.
I was thinking of something cheap like a Ruger American compact in 308w with a Bushnell TRS red dot. Should only cost about $680, so not too painful if the bike takes me for a 'mystical journey ' off track. Also, it will be 98 cm and under 3kg.
To lose any more weight in would need to spend an extra $1000


My T3 Lite .30-06 weighs 6.9 Ibs with the scope...very light.

Nice, I was thinking of getting one of those but in 338federal but the whole thing is too long.
The ruger weight is 6lb, pretty sure the trs should be lite too


Recoil can be an issue in some of these light weight .30 cal hunting rifles. I put a Limbsaver recoil pad on mine and also use a Hinterland Shooting Supplies clamp on muzzle brake if I want to really calm it down, no change to the POI.
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Post by Lorgar » 01 Jan 2015, 1:10 pm

North East wrote:My favourite rifle...kicks a bit but manageable.


The recoil pads are pretty decent on the Tikkas.

Bit off topic but... I have (and have had others) a Ruger Hawkeye in .308. The Hawkeye recoil pads are s**t, there is no other word for it. Too thin and too hard.

Shooting a mates T3 lite in .300 WM is easier on the should than shooting the Hawkeye .308 which has less actual recoil and is a heavier rifle.
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Post by AusC » 01 Jan 2015, 1:13 pm

Goshawk wrote:I'm mainly going to use it for fallow...


Mate, .308 is plenty for fallow. Plenty.

Absolutely no need for a 30-06 for them. Same yourself the money and the shoulder stress IMO.

Dunno if we're talking about a different purpose now when you mentioned .338, but that's definitely getting silly for hunting fallow deer.
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Post by North East » 01 Jan 2015, 1:21 pm

Like others have said, a .30-06 is to much gun for chasing fallow. Only really needed if you intend to have a go at Sambar further down the track.

If fallow are the only thing on the menu a .243 would suffice.
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Post by Oldbloke » 01 Jan 2015, 5:52 pm

AusC wrote:
Goshawk wrote:I'm mainly going to use it for fallow...


Mate, .308 is plenty for fallow. Plenty.

Absolutely no need for a 30-06 for them. Same yourself the money and the shoulder stress IMO.

Dunno if we're talking about a different purpose now when you mentioned .338, but that's definitely getting silly for hunting fallow deer.


+1 but if he has ideas for other game in the future a 308 (or something else) may be the go. You can always use mild loads.
A 338 in a light weight rifle is looking to get a good kick in the shoulder. I'm not sure why 338 and bigger rounds are so popular, 7 mm, 303s, 308s. 270s, and 3006s (and you could name a few other popular rounds) all get the job done with good placement, and legal for almost any animal in all states. (I think? Might get corrected here.)
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Post by Goshawk » 01 Jan 2015, 7:54 pm

AusC wrote:
Goshawk wrote:I'm mainly going to use it for fallow...


Mate, .308 is plenty for fallow. Plenty.

Dunno if we're talking about a different purpose now when you mentioned .338, but that's definitely getting silly for hunting fallow deer.


I mainly shoot fallow but I have seen some sambar and big reds too, I have never tried them due to using my trusty 243w which feels quite small when you see how thick these deer can get.

I was thinking the short 338 federal (338cal in 308 brass) would throw enough weight for these guys but decided against it as it would be a pain sourcing ammunition and decent brass.

Sounds like the 308 will be enough for my tasks.

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Post by North East » 01 Jan 2015, 8:12 pm

If you have your heart set on a .308 use 130gn pills for the fallow and 150gn pills for Sambar and Reds...I prefer 180gn but the 150gn pills will do the job.
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Post by Oldbloke » 01 Jan 2015, 8:30 pm

North East wrote:If you have your heart set on a .308 use 130gn pills for the fallow and 150gn pills for Sambar and Reds...I prefer 180gn but the 150gn pills will do the job.


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Post by AusC » 02 Jan 2015, 11:49 am

Goshawk wrote:I mainly shoot fallow but I have seen some sambar and big reds too, I have never tried them due to using my trusty 243w which feels quite small when you see how thick these deer can get.

I was thinking the short 338 federal (338cal in 308 brass) would throw enough weight for these guys but decided against it as it would be a pain sourcing ammunition and decent brass.

Sounds like the 308 will be enough for my tasks.


I agree, .308W will be the best all-rounder for you.

It's more than needed for Fallow without going well overboard, and if you cross paths with a Sambar half decent shot placement with the .308 and it will drop no problem.

Give the .338 a miss ;)
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Post by wrenchman » 02 Jan 2015, 12:06 pm

what a lot of guys do here is if you live were you can hunt multi specis they hunt with a round that will work well on all like the 180 and hunt it all you might be over guned in some case but meat in the pot is what counts
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Post by North East » 02 Jan 2015, 12:17 pm

wrenchman wrote:what a lot of guys do here is if you live were you can hunt multi specis they hunt with a round that will work well on all like the 180 and hunt it all you might be over guned in some case but meat in the pot is what counts


That's the advantage of the .30-06...the variety of projectile weights you can run through it or like you say just stick to a 180gn.
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Post by Goshawk » 02 Jan 2015, 6:03 pm

I'm hoping to run just one weight round. I have found the 80gr barnes tsx (I think, bloody acronyms) punches and nice hole through fallow. Hopefully a 130gr 308 version will do the same to reds and sambar.
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Post by VICHunter » 03 Jan 2015, 11:52 am

I'd say that'll do the trick.
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