Standard action = long action?

[sneaker]

A bit confused here with people calling the same things different things or vice versa.

.308 is short action.

I see people call 30-06 long action.

Then others call 30-06 standard action and really long cartridges like .300 ultra mag long action.

So which is the correct size for "long action" ?

[North East]

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.30-06 long action on the left and .204 short action on the right.

[yoshie]

Yes it dose get confusing, but the way a see it is 308 is short/standard length, 30/06 is long/military length, and 223 is miniature. It dose get confusing when some manufacturers make 223s in short (howa) and long (tikka) and there are intermediate length actions like 6.5x55.

[1290]

The 'standard' length refers to the standard 8x57 and 30-06 length (Mauser) action being for the 84.84mm COAL '-06' round.... Short action would refer to the action shorter than this length action which cover 308win (71.12mm) down. The standard is also called a long action (incorrectly AFAIC as it confuses magnum and standard) as its longer than the223/308 which most consider as 'standard' length...

Note there are short,standard and magnum length actions, there were standard Mauser as above, by far the most common, and also short and magnum Mauser actions being shorter and longer than the standard m98 mauser actions....(You'd be lucky to find an example today!$)

If you consider the Savage actions, then there are really 2 lengths, the short model 1x series (up to 308length) and the 11x series for standard '06' series family, which also covers short mag family (Win Mags etc)but also the Magnum length H&H family (yep, all in the standard action length)

See not at all confusing.

[Westy]

Yes it dose get confusing, but the way a see it is 308 is short/standard length, 30/06 is long/military length, and 223 is miniature. It dose get confusing when some manufacturers make 223s in short (howa) and long (tikka) and there are intermediate length actions like 6.5x55.

?????????????????? 6.5x 55 intermediate 223 tikka long????

[yoshie]

Yes it dose get confusing, but the way a see it is 308 is short/standard length, 30/06 is long/military length, and 223 is miniature. It dose get confusing when some manufacturers make 223s in short (howa) and long (tikka) and there are intermediate length actions like 6.5x55.

?????????????????? 6.5x 55 intermediate 223 tikka long????

All the tikka T3s are the same length action with different bolt stops, bolts and different magazines.

If you use the Brno 600 actions as a references, the 601 was the 308 length, the 600 was 30-06 and the 602 was Magnum. They had a miniature for 222/223. Nowadays most manufacturers fit 223 size cartridges in 308 actions and most 30-06 actions will take Magnum cartridges (Howa and Tikka). By 6.5x55 I mean the Swedish Mauser 96 that were imported years ago, that action is an intermediate and is between 308 and 30-06 length (6.5x55 won't fit in a 308 length action)

[Westy]

Years ago now your making me feel Bloody Old!!!! I bought one in early 80's new in grease still have it today

[deye243]

most of the rifle manufacturers just have 2 short and long like howa so the short does all 222 to 308 and the long 6.5x55 to the bigest they chamber

others can have 3 lenghts

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[yoshie]

Years ago now your making me feel Bloody Old!!!! I bought one in early 80's new in grease still have it today

All everyone on here seems to talk about is Howas and Tikkas, I doubt anyone will be storing them away for 30 years.

[Korkt]

A bit confused here with people calling the same things different things or vice versa.

Different labels depending on who you speak to, same thing.

Some say Short, Standard or Long.

Some say Short, Long or Magnum.

Some probably say something else too even, but those are the most common.

[Jack V]

I don't think there is any recognised written down standard to go by other than the basic length of certain cartridges . Manufacturers do their own thing from what I can see . There is too much BS hype about action lengths . I prefer some extra room in an action. I detest having a cartridge shoe horned into an action leaving no room for longer bullets . I love the long Howa action for 223 with the removal plate in the magazine well and the bolt stop that can be ground down to increase bolt travel .
Allows customisation . If Howa move the 223 chambering to only the new short action I will never buy another one . People who just use factory ammo will not be worried but custom reloaders are not served well by short actions with no room to do anything .

[roob]

To add to the mix, didn't sako make 4 action lengths for a while there?

[Jack V]

I think Sako 85 comes in six action sizes . Stupid . I love the old Sako's but I would not even consider buying new 85 . I would buy a Sako 75 maybe , far better design.

[1290]

All everyone on here seems to talk about is Howas and Tikkas, I doubt anyone will be storing them away for 30 years.

Back in the days of the old forum..... There was only one rifle; the 700

[Jack V]

Back in the days of the old forum..... There was only one rifle; the 700

No there wasn't . Us Sako owners just let those 700 owners think they were the best .

If anyone said anything negative about a Remington 700 they got yelled down .

The most popular and talked about now is always going to be the most affordable .

[tactice]

Us Sako owners just let those 700 owners think they were the best .

Wait what?!

[tapper]

I love the old Sako's but I would not even consider buying new 85 . I would buy a Sako 75 maybe , far better design.

Why no love for the 85?

Other than complaints about the price tag I thought they were pretty widely regarded as a top rifle?

[Warrigul]

All everyone on here seems to talk about is Howas and Tikkas, I doubt anyone will be storing them away for 30 years.

Back in the days of the old forum..... There was only one rifle; the 700

Ah the old remschitters, a word guaranteed to upset the thinned skinned amongst us. I never got involved but it was a source of entertainment at times.

[Lorgar]

Other than complaints about the price tag I thought they were pretty widely regarded as a top rifle?

That's my issue. I'd love a Bavarian Carbine but the price will not allow.

[Jack V]

Why no love for the 85?

Other than complaints about the price tag I thought they were pretty widely regarded as a top rifle?

The 85 is still a quality gun , it's just that I don't like the way it ejects cases , they sometimes hit the scope and the 75 seems to be a more rigid action with a better supported recoil lug system . Not that I like the new recoil lug systems at all but the 75 ejects better . I like mechanical ejectors but the 85 is in a bad place as far as I can see. Í think that under Berretta , Sako has gone too far away from what really works in an attempt to be cutting edge .

In many cases a new buyer that has never used an older Sako will not know any different but when I look at the new ones and compare to the old models I see shorts cuts in quality manufacturing techniques. The 85 will still shoot well and do a fine job but there is no way I will trade my old one in on a newer one unless it was unfixable or something like that . What one person sees as a negative another may see as a positive depending on what they have been led to believe .

[buster]

I'd love a Bavarian Carbine but the price will not allow.

Ditto.

Favourite rifle.

[tapper]

In many cases a new buyer that has never used an older Sako will not know any different but when I look at the new ones and compare to the old models I see shorts cuts in quality manufacturing techniques.

Hmmm, bummer.

[Westy]

If it goes Bang and shoots 1\2 " MOA @ 100 I'm having it in my safe ,as long as it's not locking up every other shot!!!!!

[Wheelbarrow]

To add to the mix, didn't sako make 4 action lengths for a while there?

Howa are doing a 'mini action' now too on there new line of rifles. It's shorter than 'short'.

(Credit: scott for posting the topic recently)

[Korkt]

If it goes Bang and shoots 1\2 " MOA @ 100

Works for me.

[GLS_1956]

Different labels depending on who you speak to, same thing.

Some say Short, Standard or Long.

Some say Short, Long or Magnum.

Some probably say something else too even, but those are the most common.

Yes this is the way I learned it. Short, Long/Standard and Magnum.

[sneaker]

You Say 'Tomato', I say 'Tomato'.

Got it

[Jack V]

Once you start reloading and maybe fitting fast twist barrels you realise that short actions that cramp a cartridge into minimum space are not such a good thing.

[Norton]

Cycle it, shoot it, who cares