300WSM or 30-06

[Mick280]

Had my sights set on a Model 70 Supergrade in 30-06 while now.
A bloke I met up at the range the other day turfed a bloody spanner in the works by informing me that Win do a F/Weight in 300WSM, Didnt know this(Probably due to my own ignorance).
The thing is , Im looking at a cal that will handle 180 g Accubonds with a bit of punch to use on camels & scrub bulls and Im a bit of a skirt when it comes to recoil.
Any thoughts?

[North East]

The .300WMS kicks more than a .30-06. The .30-06 will still kill anything in this country.

[Oneshot270]

If you hate recoil don't buy a .300 MAG I had a light weight Kimber Custom in .300 WIN MAG great gun but it would boot ya and I sure ain't a small fella.

[Mick280]

Dont hate recoil , Just a bit past it !
Used to have a Sako 85 in 338 Win , Kicked like a mule !
Have shot a mates S/Grade in 300 Win Mag plenty of times , borderline !
Just like to be comfortable with what Im shooting and would prefer a short action.

[Combat_Wombat]

Always see plenty of the WSM for sale on the gun classifieds and most I pretty cheap. If you are going for the featherweight model a muzzle brake will probably be on the cards.

[North East]

Dont hate recoil , Just a bit past it !
Used to have a Sako 85 in 338 Win , Kicked like a mule !
Have shot a mates S/Grade in 300 Win Mag plenty of times , borderline !
Just like to be comfortable with what Im shooting and would prefer a short action.

.30-06 is a long action...but it comfortable to shoot...a great calibre...no horrific recoil with it.

[Oldbloke]

Lots a powder + heavy projectile + light rifle = lots of recoil.
Heavier rifle = less recoil
less powder or lead = less recoil.

All things being equal, the above is true, to state the obvious. You cant beat it, its just about physics.

3006 should do the trick, subject to shots are well placed and suitable projectle for the task.

[Mick280]

Just leaning towards the F/Weight because coupled with a Zeiss 3.5-10x40 and Talley 1 piece rings , Its about the ideal weight for a walk around for me.
Have shot a 30-06 in a T3 Light plenty of times , Handled it ok and the Mod 70 is a bit heavier than the T3.

[1290]

Mick, theres no free lunch.... if you want to launch a projectile with lots of grunt... its going to recoil. If you want a lighter rifle - you're going to to increase the felt recoil.

When you say youve shot the 300 and the 338 mags; if you shoot it a lot - you'll get used to it!

I'm sure the 30-06 will be enough for the scrub bulls and humpy things...but I would personally be a lot more confident hitting them with at least the 338Winmag and a decent hunting proj..... and for the 100fps over the 308, is it worth another 30cal (you list a 308 there)

The 45-70 would be ideal, if you're not too far out,

[Mick280]

Still waiting on the 45-70 , Im told it will be here the beginning of next month.
Will be using it for range work mainly I think , Single Action - Pat Garrett Match and a SSAA RANGE near us has a 1000 yard buffalo shoot I want to have a crack at.
33 inch barrel , Might be a bit heavy to cart around the bush and being single shot the follow ups if needed might be a bit steady !

[BBJ]

The thing is , Im looking at a cal that will handle 180 g Accubonds with a bit of punch to use on camels & scrub bulls and Im a bit of a skirt when it comes to recoil.

.30-06 will shoot 180gr well obviously.

Appropriate bullets like the Accubonds on camels no prob.

I wouldn't say it's too small for a bull hunt - stressing suitable projectile and careful shot placement - but I definitely wouldn't turn my nose up at something bigger for that task.

You've got decent line up already there, is this to be a dedicated bull rifle? Or a general rifle to sometimes be used on bull?

Which way is it?

If you're adding this to the safe just for bull hunting, personally I'd look at something a little bigger.

[Tiiger]

Just leaning towards the F/Weight because coupled with a Zeiss 3.5-10x40 and Talley 1 piece rings , Its about the ideal weight for a walk around for me.

As said 1,000 times lighter right = more recoil. blah blah.

No one enjoys recoil, if you'll be shooting it enough the recoil is more than you can put up with sticking a brake on is the obvious solution.

Will make the 300WSM like .243 level recoil.

[Mick280]

Thank fo your comments everyone , Very helpful !
Have an overseas hunt or two in the planning stages so I think the WSM might do the trick.

[handofcod]

My tikka hunter in 300WSM recoils just fine with a good limbsaver pad. It's really not that bad. I wouldn't think it would be too much more than a 30-06 anyway, given equal rifle and projectile weight.

[Korkt]

I wouldn't think it would be too much more than a 30-06 anyway, given equal rifle and projectile weight.

In energy terms is about 15% - 20% more recoil.

Felt recoil's a different thing though. A good pad does wonders there as we know.

[Timb0]

If you hate recoil don't buy a .300 MAG I had a light weight Kimber Custom in .300 WIN MAG great gun but it would boot ya and I sure ain't a small fella.

I was Looking at a model 70 but bought a kimber instead. Big mistake. Worsed gun I have owned!

[Timb0]

Oh, and a model 70 extreme weather in 300wsm is top of the list for my next rifle.
Two mates of mine shoot .300 mags. One a rem 700 in a WSM and the other a .300 win mag in a ruger, similar wieght rifle and I can't tell the difference in recoil. Both fine in the field without a break. Not excellent on the bench.

[Combat_Wombat]

If you hate recoil don't buy a .300 MAG I had a light weight Kimber Custom in .300 WIN MAG great gun but it would boot ya and I sure ain't a small fella.

I was Looking at a model 70 but bought a kimber instead. Big mistake. Worsed gun I have owned!

Why is that exactly? I only know a couple of blokes who own them but they absolutely love them.

[Timb0]

In the light weight models the firing pin seems too light and doesn't seem to set off certain brands of primers, no bottom plate so you can't dump your mag, the bolt knob comes up very close to the eye piece on the scope ( yes could be the scope I have tried two though), there is a screw for firing pin depth at the back of the bolt that comes loose if you don't loctite it from factory or if you adjust it causing misfires, the montana stock is rough on your face and if your an unshaven bum like me occasionally pulls your whiskers, the stock i have only been told is a foam with Kevlar outer layer, so if you go to bed the action you can't really cut into the stock to take the compound. It might be just me making a bad choice but the rifle barrel weight is too light for me.

[North East]

I'm over recoil too. I can tolerate it in a 6.4 Ibs T3 Lite .30-06 but any more is just not a pleasure to shoot.

The .30-06 Sprg will do over anything in this country...where I live anyway.

[aekpani]

Hi,

.300WSM will be better to hunt with. I use limbsaver pad and a muzzle break, it performs well.

Throw a eliminator scope and you will be fine ONE shot ONE kill

Regards,
AA

[Mich]

.300WSM will be better to hunt with. I use limbsaver pad and a muzzle break, it performs well.

Not knocking your .300 WSM, but "better"? Wouldn't say it's that cut and dry.

I don't see any .30-06 rounds bouncing off deer here. Know what I mean.

[Oldbloke]

.300WSM will be better to hunt with. I use limbsaver pad and a muzzle break, it performs well.

Not knocking your .300 WSM, but "better"? Wouldn't say it's that cut and dry.

I don't see any .30-06 rounds bouncing off deer here. Know what I mean.

North east will love you.

[bunnybuster]

The 30-06 has been/will be around forever,brass readily available,from Milsurp to top dollar commercial,available widely,I suspect the WSM fails here.Cost of dies ?

Recoil,if the same weight projectile is fired at the same velocity in either cartridge from identical rifles,the recoil will be the same.

Now here's a spanner for the works,an 8 x 57 in a surplus '98 will do all a 30-06 can.

Be Safe BB

P.S sorry for y'all with broken muzzles,I would use a brake if neccesary.

[Mich]

North east will love you.

I've a lovable kind of guy

[1290]

.300WSM will be better to hunt with. I use limbsaver pad and a muzzle break, it performs well.

Not knocking your .300 WSM, but "better"? Wouldn't say it's that cut and dry.

I don't see any .30-06 rounds bouncing off deer here. Know what I mean.

Yeah, but you havent seen VICTORIAN deer....

[Mich]

Only photos.

I wouldn't say no to a shot at one of your Sambar

[tony m]

I would pick the 30/06 .The short fats usually don't chamber quite as well, tougher to find ammo or components for too.Use a Barnes, Swift or Nosler partition and it will penetrate.Just my opinion

[<<Genesis93>>]

tony, we'll have to start calling you lazarus, brining these old threads back to life.....

As far as the OP goes, different kettle of the proverbial...

300wsm design to replicate the winmag in a wanky short round...(a solution to a problem other seek to convince us we possess)

between the 300wsm and the aught six...

I choose the 300WinMag!

The WSMs will come and go... the WSSM will follow... the RCMs, what are they? the RUMs will stay - cause theyre just a heap more of a good thing...

[Mick280]

Wow Narky!!
What's so wrong about bringing old threads back to life???
You can never have too many points of view!!!
I'm a 65 model and love learning something new every day!!!