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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 09 Jan 2018, 11:51 am

Do you have any links for TB load development for it, before I get my paws on proper black powder?
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Re: 577-450

Post by TheDude » 09 Jan 2018, 11:55 am

Gotta use the holy black. Same cleanup as pyrodex but smells better
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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 09 Jan 2018, 11:57 am

God damn it!
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Re: 577-450

Post by TheDude » 09 Jan 2018, 12:03 pm

You’ll have a front stuffer next JS
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Post by Noisydad » 09 Jan 2018, 3:33 pm

Just gotta twist your arm into coming up to Nagambie for a Seymour BP Club mid range gong play date come the new comp season.
There's still a few of Wile. E Coyote's ideas that I haven't tried yet.
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Re: 577-450

Post by sungazer » 09 Jan 2018, 3:35 pm

Noisy Post the dates do you have a facebook page?
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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 09 Jan 2018, 6:10 pm

Thanks dude! But looks like I need 1F or 2F. I'll probably pick some up next week...
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Re: 577-450

Post by bigpete » 09 Jan 2018, 8:03 pm

How much fff bentaz ? ;)
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Re: 577-450

Post by Oldbloke » 09 Jan 2018, 9:32 pm

JS, have you got cases for this ol clunker?

PS. I think you need to change your name from Just Starting to "Speeding" at the rate you buy rifles. :crazy:
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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 09 Jan 2018, 10:58 pm

Yes, OB. I actually formed a handful. And I do mean a handful, that's what was left, after I crushed the rest.

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Crushed AF.

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And this is pretty neat. Dents/dimples from using too much lube.

Basically, annealed, stepped it a little, annealed again and pushed the rest of the way. The rest of the way - in steps: push, stop, rotate, push, etc. Now, that's all well and good, but I didn't have the press - so borrowed one from a friend that took those monster dies. Because the press was on loan, I opted to mount it to a plank and clamp the wood to the bench. Yeah, nah. So off to see my parents. Dad has metal bench, someone welded for him - yep, that worked. Then annealing, pushing, turning, both of us enjoyed the project, but came to a decision that this is just way too much effort for reasonably small reward. So I ordered a few LOL. Good learning experience, making my own cases from 24ga brass shells, but this has crossed my time dedication threshold, so they are on their way.

I actually had this MH for a bit, I'm just getting to this to-do item on my list now.

As for speeding, I wasn't aware there was a speed limit. Should I slow down or stop? ;)
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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 09 Jan 2018, 11:03 pm

BTW there would have been a couple of other challenges, if I was to go with the DIY approach... But cases ordered now, CBE mould has arrived, so it is what it is. Now I just need to get some BP. I could use Trail Boss, but I think this is just not how it was meant to be shot and I would feel shame and be mocked by everyone lol So BP it is!
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Re: 577-450

Post by sungazer » 10 Jan 2018, 8:45 am

I haven't seen a case dent from too much lube yet. Ive read about it but not seen it and I have tried to a point. If you could get that round to chamber it would fire form ok. It may not have a very even neck though.
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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 10 Jan 2018, 12:09 pm

Bentaz, no worries. Probably won't have it ready by then, but I'll come back when is shooting :)
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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 04 Feb 2018, 11:54 pm

Oldbloke wrote:JS, have you got cases for this ol clunker?

PS. I think you need to change your name from Just Starting to "Speeding" at the rate you buy rifles. :crazy:


I think 'welldone' was your last suggestions, LOL.
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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 05 Feb 2018, 12:01 am

TheDude wrote:You’ll have a front stuffer next JS


I tried once, they checked my ID and told me that I'm too young, to come back in about 30 years* :twisted:

I draw the line at 'just after', hence the MH...


*I will make an exception for a Blunderbuss, but those are expensive. Also, I was already told off for using muffin tray (even though I bought one specifically for it, she didn't even believe me) for making lead ingots. Dressing like a pirate and using cutlery for projectiles (and you know I would!) would probably end in divorce.
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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 05 Feb 2018, 12:04 am

Slowly getting there...

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I will need to settle on TB for the next month, until I can make it out to the other end of town and then to shoot it... Probably another month, so TB will have to do for now.

As a side note. I settled on casting unobtainable/expensive stuff and buying in bulk cheap plinking stuff. Finding casting casting large projectiles, like this monster and my 500gr 45-70 zombie slayers a bit tricky with equipment I have. Molds are freaking heavy. Flip side, left arm is getting a workout (shut up!). Bottom pour ladle would help, but I think it's more of a bandaid, than a solution. Starting to seriously consider selling my furnace and investing into bottom pour model, which would probably save hours of effort and deliver a more consistent projectile, is the only way to go. Anyhow, made 80-something projectiles for MH today, so that's good.
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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 05 Feb 2018, 12:28 am

More on TB in MH

I've been researching and stumbled upon this thread:
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?285012-Using-Trailboss-Powder-for-the-Martini-Henry-577-450-Bored-Rifles

Wondering if anyone has any input on this?


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Re: 577-450

Post by No1Mk3 » 05 Feb 2018, 2:58 am

G'day juststarting,
That thread is 5 years old now, and the information in it was dubious even back then. Since that time, 1000's of rounds in a large number of calibers have been fired using TB without a single problem that was powder induced by those following instructions. TB should not be looked at as a BP direct substitute, but as a low recoil producing, clean burning substitute for reduced velocity loads. Whilst it does produce a pressure spike, it is a very short duration and if loading procedures are adhered to you will not have a problem, 70% available case capacity with bullet seated, no fillers, never compress, never reduce loads below 60% available capacity. I have loaded 20g of TB under a 405g projectile and never had an issue, but it is very unsatisfying compared to 95g of 2F! Cheers.
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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 05 Feb 2018, 7:44 am

Thanks, No1Mk3.

Yep, will get there with BP, but may as well start, it'll be a month or so until I get my hands on it.
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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 24 Mar 2018, 8:15 pm

Just to confirm, Bertram 577/450 brass takes Large Rifle primer. Pretty sure it does, but confirmation would be good.

Correct?
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Re: 577-450

Post by TheDude » 25 Mar 2018, 5:09 am

Yep
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Re: 577-450

Post by juststarting » 25 Mar 2018, 10:20 am

Thanks.
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Re: 577-450

Post by sungazer » 25 Mar 2018, 1:42 pm

Mr Bruce Bertram is looking at having an open day at his factory in Seymore if anyone is interested. https://www.facebook.com/Bertram-Bullet ... 043680760/
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Re: 577-450

Post by Oldbloke » 25 Mar 2018, 4:54 pm

Yep, I'm interested. Might see you there JS. I have seen part of the process elsewhere, but not all of it.
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