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Legal minimum calibre for deer in nsw?

Post by Goshawk » 30 Dec 2015, 7:30 am

morning all,
What is the minimum legal calibre for deer in nsw? I have seen plenty of 'suggested minimum' eg 243w but no legal minimums.
Even the DPI website doesn't suggest a minimum, unless I missed the fine print somewhere.
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Post by Chronos » 30 Dec 2015, 8:04 am

In NSW there is no minimum required caliber for deer. In he game council days they did provide recommended minimums, I think it was .243 for fallow and .270 for red and sambar deer but I'd have to check. I believe it's in the licensing info still.

That said you can be charged if found to be shooting animals in an inhumane manner so the onus is on you to use a cartridge capable of killing effectively, which is how it should be

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Post by bigfellascott » 30 Dec 2015, 11:00 am

The 204 seems to roll em well, a pill to the head or neck soon has the reds and fallows down without fuss.
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Post by dhv » 30 Dec 2015, 11:13 am

bigfellascott wrote:The 204 seems to roll em well, a pill to the head or neck soon has the reds and fallows down without fuss.



After you get them into the pen.
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Post by bigfellascott » 30 Dec 2015, 12:06 pm

dhv wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:The 204 seems to roll em well, a pill to the head or neck soon has the reds and fallows down without fuss.



After you get them into the pen.


nope just in the paddock like any other deer that needs shooting. The 22.250 smashes em well too :D
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Post by Oldbloke » 30 Dec 2015, 4:00 pm

Just a suggestion. If you closely follow the Victorian requirements you cant go far wrong.

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Interestingly they dropped the minimum cartridge length of 2" for Sambar a couple of yrs ago. A step backwards in my view but perhaps there is some logic I am not aware of. This would mean some pistol cartridges comply.
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Post by Noisydad » 30 Dec 2015, 5:25 pm

I reckon one of my soft lead 580 gn slugs from my new .58 muzzle loader would cover it given the entry hole will be bigger than most exit holes. Would have to be careful about shot placement though.
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Post by dhv » 30 Dec 2015, 6:48 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Just a suggestion. If you closely follow the Victorian requirements you cant go far wrong.

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Interestingly they dropped the minimum cartridge length of 2" for Sambar a couple of yrs ago. A step backwards in my view but perhaps there is some logic I am not aware of. This would mean some pistol cartridges comply.


That was when the WSM calibres came out.
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Post by Bosbefok » 30 Dec 2015, 7:31 pm

.243 for fallow and smaller species. .270 for reds Sambar and larger species.
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Post by Bosbefok » 30 Dec 2015, 7:32 pm

Also 100gr min out of the .243. 130 gr min out of the .270
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Post by Goshawk » 30 Dec 2015, 8:17 pm

Can anyone point to actual legislation?
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Post by dhv » 30 Dec 2015, 8:25 pm

No mate, there is none in NSW.
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Post by Oldbloke » 31 Dec 2015, 6:15 pm

Not sure about the 204. Would need to be an ideal situation.
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Post by Chronos » 31 Dec 2015, 6:36 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Not sure about the 204. Would need to be an ideal situation.


Do t know about reds but I'd use a .204 on fallow for meat. It's easy enough to not pull the trigger is you don't get the shot you're after and you'd easily get a headshot out to 200m with the .204R but it's about being sure the kill will happen before you close the bolt.

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Post by Strikey » 31 Dec 2015, 7:01 pm

A .204 on deer? :wtf: I would not even consider it or advise that anyone uses this on deer, no matter what species :thumbsdown: Anyone saying they do are only going to inspire the d**kheads to be unethical hunters by using a marginal calibre on reasonable sized game, use more than enough gun and give the animals some respect whether feral or not ;)
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Post by Chronos » 31 Dec 2015, 7:47 pm

Strikey wrote:A .204 on deer? :wtf: I would not even consider it or advise that anyone uses this on deer, no matter what species :thumbsdown: Anyone saying they do are only going to inspire the d**kheads to be unethical hunters by using a marginal calibre on reasonable sized game, use more than enough gun and give the animals some respect whether feral or not ;)


While I agree with choosing an appropriate cartridge and previously stated that's up to the shooter to decide what's appropriate I stand by my comment.

When you've been out filling roo tags head shooting roo's past 200m at night and seen how they perform and the damage they do you'd probably be happy to head shoot fallow during the day as well. I haven't done it, in fact all the fallow I've shot were spikers with a .308 and 165gr game kings. That combo is overkill on such an animal imho but I would have been confident to have been faced with a much larger animal.

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Post by bigfellascott » 31 Dec 2015, 8:41 pm

Strikey wrote:A .204 on deer? :wtf: I would not even consider it or advise that anyone uses this on deer, no matter what species :thumbsdown: Anyone saying they do are only going to inspire the d**kheads to be unethical hunters by using a marginal calibre on reasonable sized game, use more than enough gun and give the animals some respect whether feral or not ;)


Not everyone needs to compensate for being a lousy shot by using a bigger cal :D The humble 222 was used for many years in NZ to cull all sorts of deer species very effectively - quite simply if you are a lousy shot use a big cal to compensate for it, if not the smallers cals are more than up to the job if you are. :D :thumbsup:

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Post by Strikey » 31 Dec 2015, 8:45 pm

As I said use more than enough gun, its preferable to have overkill then have game walking around with horrific injuries due to inappropriate calibre/projectile choice, put them down with shot is the only ethical thing to do.
I have just come back from a roo cull and would say that nearly all shots under a spotlight were taken less than 150yds, looked further but weren't, some were around the 50-60yd mark, 200m under a light is a bloody long way and things look a lot further at night then they actually are ;) I know a few pro roo shooters in my area and they will tell you most of their shooting is less then a 100yds so if you are taking them past 200metres good onya :thumbsup:
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Post by Chronos » 31 Dec 2015, 8:52 pm

Range finders don't know it's dark :friends:

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Post by bigfellascott » 31 Dec 2015, 8:53 pm

Strikey wrote:As I said use more than enough gun, its preferable to have overkill then have game walking around with horrific injuries due to inappropriate calibre/projectile choice, put them down with shot is the only ethical thing to do.
I have just come back from a roo cull and would say that nearly all shots under a spotlight were taken less than 150yds, looked further but weren't, some were around the 50-60yd mark, 200m under a light is a bloody long way and things look a lot further at night then they actually are ;) I know a few pro roo shooters in my area and they will tell you most of their shooting is less then a 100yds so if you are taking them past 200metres good onya :thumbsup:
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I reckon it's more important to do good shot placement than to compensate for lousy shot placement - I know of a fella who shot a roo with a 308 in the guts (he thought that the bigger cal would roll em anywhere he shot em) sadly it was last seen hopping away with it's guts trailing some distance behind until I finished it with a 50gn pill to the head.

Big cals don't compensate for one's crappy judgement - there are plenty of wounded animals that can attest to that fact.

Shot placement is the most important part of killing anything regardless of cal for me, if the shot don't present the shot ain't taken it's that simple for me :drinks:
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Post by bigfellascott » 31 Dec 2015, 8:56 pm

Chronos wrote:Range finders don't know it's dark :friends:

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Yep I use mine to range foxes when out spotlighting (long shots) comes in handy at times :thumbsup:
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Post by Chronos » 31 Dec 2015, 9:05 pm

bigfellascott wrote:
Chronos wrote:Range finders don't know it's dark :friends:

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Yep I use mine to range foxes when out spotlighting (long shots) comes in handy at times :thumbsup:


Yep. I'm bad enough judging distances in broad day light let alone at night and the leupold illuminated RX1000TBRi gives you drop as well. A valuable tool when you start shooting small things beyond 100m

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Post by bigfellascott » 31 Dec 2015, 9:18 pm

Chronos wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:
Chronos wrote:Range finders don't know it's dark :friends:

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Yep I use mine to range foxes when out spotlighting (long shots) comes in handy at times :thumbsup:


Yep. I'm bad enough judging distances in broad day light let alone at night and the leupold illuminated RX1000TBRi gives you drop as well. A valuable tool when you start shooting small things beyond 100m

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Yeah I hear ya mate, I actually like using the rangefinder to test my ability to read distance, I quite often just pick a tree and guess what the range is and then see what it really is - I've been surprised more often than not how much I was out by. I shot a fox recently that was what I thought was 250ish metres whilst spotlighting (shot it in the freckle as it was just about to drop into a washout) I ranged it after the shot and it was actually 330 odd metres (down hill), it dropped on the spot to a 39gn Bk from the 204.

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Post by Strikey » 31 Dec 2015, 9:58 pm

Agreed, shot placement is still crucial even when using a larger calibre but over the years I have seen people using .17Rem, 222Rem., 22/250s etc on everything from foxes to pigs and everything in between, poor shot placement, wrong projectile choice for the intended game have resulted in some nasty wounds that the animal did not deserve, some of these blokes thought they had pulled off a good shot. :( There are a lot of inexperienced shooters/hunters out there who may think that their mighty .204/.223 or even the all conquering .17HMR will take down all manner of game at insane distances, this I believe is why we should not be advocating that it is possible to shoot something such as deer with what is essentially a varmint cartridge ;)
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Post by bigfellascott » 31 Dec 2015, 10:06 pm

Happy New Year to you too and go f*** ya self as well :lol:
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Post by Chronos » 01 Jan 2016, 8:07 am

Strikey wrote:Agreed, shot placement is still crucial even when using a larger calibre but over the years I have seen people using .17Rem, 222Rem., 22/250s etc on everything from foxes to pigs and everything in between, poor shot placement, wrong projectile choice for the intended game have resulted in some nasty wounds that the animal did not deserve, some of these blokes thought they had pulled off a good shot. :( There are a lot of inexperienced shooters/hunters out there who may think that their mighty .204/.223 or even the all conquering .17HMR will take down all manner of game at insane distances, this I believe is why we should not be advocating that it is possible to shoot something such as deer with what is essentially a varmint cartridge ;)
Interesting that I disagreed with you all but still pass on a Happy New Year but can't get the same back, go f*** yourselves :thumbsup:


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Post by Oldbloke » 01 Jan 2016, 11:09 am

"Interesting that I disagreed with you all but still pass on a Happy New Year but can't get the same back, go f*** yourselves :thumbsup:"

Obviously a gentleman. :sarcasm:
This is an old argument.

If you are an excellent shot in ideal situations, yes you can use smaller than usual calibres for many animals, not just deer (Correct 222 was used widely by pro shooters in NZ to cull red deer in the 60-70s)
If you an average bloke/shot like me you should stick to the tried and true or recommended. Eg I no longer use th 22lr on foxes, only 223 or 12g.

Ps this is a discussion forum, not argument forum. The above type of comments are now rare on this forum and the better for it IMO. Being civil cost nothing.
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Post by Chronos » 01 Jan 2016, 11:22 am

Oldbloke wrote:"Interesting that I disagreed with you all but still pass on a Happy New Year but can't get the same back, go f*** yourselves :thumbsup:"

Obviously a gentleman. :sarcasm:
This is an old argument.

If you are an excellent shot in ideal situations, yes you can use smaller than usual calibres for many animals, not just deer (Correct 222 was used widely by pro shooters in NZ to cull red deer in the 60-70s)
If you an average bloke/shot like me you should stick to the tried and true or recommended. Eg I no longer use th 22lr on foxes, only 223 or 12g.

Ps this is a discussion forum, not argument forum. The above type of comments are now rare on this forum and the better for it IMO. Being civil cost nothing.
ps. Happy new year.



Agree on all accounts.

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Post by dhv » 01 Jan 2016, 2:50 pm

Chronos wrote:Range finders don't know it's dark :friends:

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Did you just admit to spotlighting deer in NSW? :o
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Post by Oldbloke » 01 Jan 2016, 3:50 pm

"Did you just admit to spotlighting deer in NSW? :o"
I think he was referring to roos.
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