Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Calibres, cartridges, ballistics tables and ammunition information.

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by Supporter » 28 Jan 2016, 3:23 pm

Interesting, never seen a formula for determining that before.

Any idea where you picked that up from, southeast varmiter?
Winchester 1894 30-30
Howa Varminter .204 Ruger
Savage Model 10/110 Trophy Hunter XP 30-06 Springfield
User avatar
Supporter
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 249
Western Australia

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by southeast varmiter » 28 Jan 2016, 8:01 pm

Supporter wrote:Interesting, never seen a formula for determining that before.

Any idea where you picked that up from, southeast varmiter?

Military.
southeast varmiter
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 272
Victoria

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by Strikey » 28 Jan 2016, 9:24 pm

southeast varmiter wrote:From time to time. Generally projectiles that have a diameter to length ration of less that 3:1 no ballistic tip and when they go below 2000 fps start to keyhole.


Now I know what has been going wrong with my loads, hardly any of them have "ballistic tips" :wtf: :lol: :lol:
Strikey
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 316
Queensland

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by RDobber » 15 Feb 2016, 10:19 am

They must not be tacticool enough to fly straight :lol:
300 Win Mag Fanboy

Tikka, Tikka, Tikka, BOOM!
User avatar
RDobber
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 322
Tasmania

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by MalleeFarmer » 14 Mar 2016, 10:30 am

Well the group ok. This group was shot out of my custom Mark X Mauser .308 it shot about 4" higher than my 165gr SST load. And 1" right but grouped well they shoot almost the same POI as my 125gr TNTs and similar accuracy in my Howa HB varmint.
Attachments
image.jpg
.525"
image.jpg (1.21 MiB) Viewed 8623 times
"Agriculture is our wisest pursuit, because it will in the end contribute most to real wealth, good morals and happiness." Thomas Jefferson
User avatar
MalleeFarmer
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 627
Victoria

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by Vati » 13 Apr 2016, 3:30 pm

Not too shabby
Reach out and touch...
User avatar
Vati
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 426
New South Wales

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by WayneO » 13 Apr 2016, 5:01 pm

That'll do pig, that'll do.
Not too many goats going to be walking away from that kind of shooting.
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis" Dante's Inferno
User avatar
WayneO
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 183
Victoria

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by MalleeFarmer » 15 Apr 2016, 7:42 am

It definately does a job on the goats and Roos. Kills em to death!! Flat hammers Roos. And goats fall over easy as well.
"Agriculture is our wisest pursuit, because it will in the end contribute most to real wealth, good morals and happiness." Thomas Jefferson
User avatar
MalleeFarmer
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 627
Victoria

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by BBJ » 15 Apr 2016, 9:57 am

MalleeFarmer wrote:Kills em to death!


That's the amount you want :D
Weatherby Vanguard .223 Remington
Tikka T3 Varmint Stainless .243 Winchester
R.I.P. M1 Garand .30-06 Springfield

Leupold VX-R 4-12x40
User avatar
BBJ
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 347
Northern Territory

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by MalleeFarmer » 15 Apr 2016, 12:11 pm

BBJ wrote:
That's the amount you want :D


Sure is!! :lol:
"Agriculture is our wisest pursuit, because it will in the end contribute most to real wealth, good morals and happiness." Thomas Jefferson
User avatar
MalleeFarmer
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 627
Victoria

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by scotty87 » 29 Apr 2016, 9:27 pm

MalleeFarmer wrote:It definately does a job on the goats and Roos. Kills em to death!! Flat hammers Roos. And goats fall over easy as well.


Hey MalleeFarmer, do you happen to have any of the 135gr HP OSA .308 rounds left? bought 100 of these Sierra 135gr HP pills to work out a load using AR2208 for my .308 and would like to know what OAL the factory ammunition using these pills are.
scotty87
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 197
Queensland

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by MalleeFarmer » 30 Apr 2016, 2:04 pm

I do Scotty I'll measure em up for ya this arvo and get back to ya.
"Agriculture is our wisest pursuit, because it will in the end contribute most to real wealth, good morals and happiness." Thomas Jefferson
User avatar
MalleeFarmer
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 627
Victoria

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by MalleeFarmer » 30 Apr 2016, 3:24 pm

Scotty, here is a picture of a round in calipers total OAL of 2.628"

Another thing you could do is load a dummy round with a very lightly seated bullet to get a seating depth on the lands for your rifle.
Attachments
image.jpeg
OSA .308win 135gr Sierra HP
image.jpeg (1.61 MiB) Viewed 9263 times
"Agriculture is our wisest pursuit, because it will in the end contribute most to real wealth, good morals and happiness." Thomas Jefferson
User avatar
MalleeFarmer
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 627
Victoria

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by scotty87 » 30 Apr 2016, 5:17 pm

MalleeFarmer wrote:Scotty, here is a picture of a round in calipers total OAL of 2.628"

Another thing you could do is load a dummy round with a very lightly seated bullet to get a seating depth on the lands for your rifle.


Cheers mallee, at the moment I have 20rnds loaded starting at 46.5gr working up to 47.5 of AR2208, haven't got data for this projectile so used data for Speer 130gr HP and backed it off a bit, loaded rounds are seated at 2.710", which was from a load I found for the Sierra 135gr matchking HP online.
scotty87
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 197
Queensland

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by Lorgar » 02 May 2016, 3:19 pm

Strikey wrote:Now I know what has been going wrong with my loads, hardly any of them have "ballistic tips" :wtf: :lol: :lol:


Didn't you know? Bullets aren't accurate unless they have a cool word like "ballistic" in their name :sarcasm:
User avatar
Lorgar
Second Lieutenant
Second Lieutenant
 
Posts: 2156
Victoria

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by scotty87 » 10 May 2016, 6:01 pm

tested my first lot of reloads with the 135gr Sierra 2124 projectiles over the weekend, shows alot of promise, charges were well and truly around the minimum with no signs of high pressure in any of the loads I shot, I'm using data from adi for the speer 130gr HP as a guide.

My HOWA sporter much preffered these hollow points over the 165gr spitzers I have been trying to develop a load for.

has a promise of being a good projectile for this rifle if I do my part, which is something i need to work on as evidenced by these targets :lol: with the "fliers" pulling to the right, i'm thinking I need a bit more practice on the trigger as i've likely got a bit of a flinch to work out.

Image Image Image

probably gonna pick up a box of the factory ammo to shoot with my next lot of reloads to see how they compare.
scotty87
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 197
Queensland

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by VICHunter » 11 May 2016, 4:00 pm

A bit of tinkering with loads and seating depth and that'll tighten up too :thumbsup:
User avatar
VICHunter
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 623
Victoria

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by Sydor » 11 May 2016, 4:01 pm

southeast varmiter wrote:As long as they don't tumble.


I wonder what the twist rate is on your rifle?
Sydor
Recruit
Recruit
 
Posts: 42
Victoria

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by MalleeFarmer » 12 May 2016, 3:41 pm

My Howa .308 varmint is a 1-10 but if memory serves me the sporters are 1-12 I may be wrong.
"Agriculture is our wisest pursuit, because it will in the end contribute most to real wealth, good morals and happiness." Thomas Jefferson
User avatar
MalleeFarmer
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 627
Victoria

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by scotty87 » 13 May 2016, 9:15 am

Got my weekend sorted, next batch of loads to test, 47.5, 48, 48.5gr AR2208 COAL 2.635" picked up 20 of the factory loads to compare.

IMG20160512201920.jpg
IMG20160512201920.jpg (1.6 MiB) Viewed 8935 times


Pulled a bullet from a factory load, charge weighed just under 48gr, not sure what the powder is, grains were quite long.
scotty87
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 197
Queensland

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by MalleeFarmer » 15 May 2016, 8:32 am

I'd assume ADI would use their own powders in factory loads. Does it look like AR2208? Post a pic just curious.
"Agriculture is our wisest pursuit, because it will in the end contribute most to real wealth, good morals and happiness." Thomas Jefferson
User avatar
MalleeFarmer
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 627
Victoria

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by scotty87 » 20 May 2016, 8:22 pm

looks different to my AR2208, grains were long and it was a cylindrical powder, shot all of it unfortunately so no pic.

this is my best group with my last batch of reloads, 48.5GR AR2208, 2.635 OAL, this group was alot better than anything else I shot that day, I held the foreend in front of the rest for this group and it tightened up nicely.

48.5AR2208135gr2124.jpg
48.5AR2208135gr2124.jpg (77.33 KiB) Viewed 8891 times


I'm pretty stoked to get this from a sporter barrel, I reckon I'll reload the next batch using the once fired OSA brass and load 48.5GR varying the seating depth from 2.635 out to 2.710ish moving up in 20 thou increments and looking for pressure signs.

best group I shot with the OSA 135gr factory load was 1.2-1.5 inch @ 100m but I didnt have good control over the fore end, I was trying to let it free recoil, which it didn't seem to like. I reckon i'll be either buying more of this factory ammo or in the least a batch of OSA brass as my once fired cases look like they'll make great reloads.
scotty87
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 197
Queensland

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by sandgroperbill » 21 May 2016, 12:23 pm

scotty87 wrote:looks different to my AR2208, grains were long and it was a cylindrical powder



2206H, perhaps?
sandgroperbill
Warrant Officer C2
Warrant Officer C2
 
Posts: 1083
Western Australia

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by sandgroperbill » 21 May 2016, 12:26 pm

actually, no, 48gr would be way too high for 2206h
sandgroperbill
Warrant Officer C2
Warrant Officer C2
 
Posts: 1083
Western Australia

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by scotty87 » 21 May 2016, 4:11 pm

Maybe it's thier benchmark 8208?
scotty87
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 197
Queensland

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by Utcherd » 15 Jun 2016, 3:51 pm

MalleeFarmer wrote:I'd assume ADI would use their own powders in factory loads. Does it look like AR2208? Post a pic just curious.


I think I remember reading somewhere though they did a blend(s) for their factory ammo, not an off the shelf option like we're offered?

Wish I could remember where I picked that up, can't remember :|
User avatar
Utcherd
Private
Private
 
Posts: 81
New South Wales

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by zook60 » 18 Jul 2016, 9:46 pm

scotty87 wrote:Maybe it's thier benchmark 8208?

Na the 8208 is a finer granule than 2208
zook60
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 100
New South Wales

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by KennyA » 19 Jul 2016, 6:24 pm

My Howa in 223 shots 1/2 Moa and smaller using Aussie outback 69gr pills.
Assume factory ammo.
.177 &.22 Air rifle, .22lr, 223 Rem, 308 Win, 308 Ackley Imp, 410, 45-70, 12g single, U/O, S/S
User avatar
KennyA
Private
Private
 
Posts: 63
Queensland

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by Browning » 31 Jul 2016, 1:35 pm

Finally got around to shooting this stuff in my Tikka this weekend and it was fantastic!! Clover leafing at 100 so I'm very happy...
Now to try and replicate it as a hand load...
Think I'll start with 2208 and work my way through a few diff loads...
Any suggestions on what the sweet spot seems to be in terms of grains of powder?
Browning
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 181
Queensland

Re: Buffalo River .308 ammo? Has anyone used this stuff?

Post by scotty87 » 31 Jul 2016, 2:14 pm

Browning wrote:Finally got around to shooting this stuff in my Tikka this weekend and it was fantastic!! Clover leafing at 100 so I'm very happy...
Now to try and replicate it as a hand load...
Think I'll start with 2208 and work my way through a few diff loads...
Any suggestions on what the sweet spot seems to be in terms of grains of powder?


I posted my results in this thread already seems to be 48.5gr of 2208, OAL 2.635". Had 3 shots cloverleaf at 100m 5 shots fell under 1moa with my howa sporter. Projectiles are the Sierra 2124.

I'd suggest starting at 47.5gr and working up in your rifle.

48.5gr of 2208 is pretty full in a remington case, in the OSA cases I reckon the load would be compressed as they seem to have less volume than my current batch of remmington brass.
scotty87
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 197
Queensland

Next

Back to top
 
Return to Calibres, cartridges and ballistics