.219 Zipper
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.219 Zipper
by » 15 Jan 2016, 9:04 pm
Just bought a lovely old gun in .219 Zipper. Does anyone have any experience with this cartridge? I'm a reloader and I think I can get dies for it? What's a safe starter? Any advice appreciated.
The pen may be mightier than the sword, but personally I prefer the .30/30 Winchester.
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snag - Corporal
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Re: .219 Zipper
by » 16 Jan 2016, 6:57 am
G'day snag,
Do you have a lever action or a bolt action? For the lever, the ADI data bentaz pointed out is a good, low pressure/velocity starting place. I used to have a No4 LE chambered for this, as well as a Martini, and used to load 34.0g of Du Pont IMR4320 for 3400fps using 55g PSP in the Martini, never chronied the Enfield. If you have a projectile in mind, I have access to a load database that includes this cartridge and could find some more info for you, Cheers.
Do you have a lever action or a bolt action? For the lever, the ADI data bentaz pointed out is a good, low pressure/velocity starting place. I used to have a No4 LE chambered for this, as well as a Martini, and used to load 34.0g of Du Pont IMR4320 for 3400fps using 55g PSP in the Martini, never chronied the Enfield. If you have a projectile in mind, I have access to a load database that includes this cartridge and could find some more info for you, Cheers.
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Re: .219 Zipper
by » 16 Jan 2016, 12:01 pm
Hey No1Mk3,
I got a Sportco barrelled Martini and I was planning on trying Hornady Vmax projs in 50gn and 55gn ('cos I already have them). How do you reckon 60gn projs would go?
Thanks,
Snag
I got a Sportco barrelled Martini and I was planning on trying Hornady Vmax projs in 50gn and 55gn ('cos I already have them). How do you reckon 60gn projs would go?
Thanks,
Snag
The pen may be mightier than the sword, but personally I prefer the .30/30 Winchester.
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snag - Corporal
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Re: .219 Zipper
by » 18 Jan 2016, 2:31 pm
Where is Andym?
He's just done a rebarrel project to .219
Might have some test loads to share.
He's just done a rebarrel project to .219
Might have some test loads to share.
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Old Fart - Corporal
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Re: .219 Zipper
by » 20 Jan 2016, 3:51 am
G'day snag,
Sorry for the delay, work etc. As bentaz said, twist rate will govern bullet weight. My Martini had a custom barrell @ 1:14 and was good with 55g, so I didn't try 60's in such a slow twist. If you want to try 60's, some loads would be IMR4895-24.5g-Rem 9 1/2 primer for 2672fps in 26" barrell, OAL=2.34" (From IMR manual)
Hornady V-Max 60.0g
STARTING-AR2206H-23.9g-Rem 9 1/2 primer for 2800fps
MAX AR2206H-27.4-Rem 9 1/2 primer for 3200fps, Cheers.
Sorry for the delay, work etc. As bentaz said, twist rate will govern bullet weight. My Martini had a custom barrell @ 1:14 and was good with 55g, so I didn't try 60's in such a slow twist. If you want to try 60's, some loads would be IMR4895-24.5g-Rem 9 1/2 primer for 2672fps in 26" barrell, OAL=2.34" (From IMR manual)
Hornady V-Max 60.0g
STARTING-AR2206H-23.9g-Rem 9 1/2 primer for 2800fps
MAX AR2206H-27.4-Rem 9 1/2 primer for 3200fps, Cheers.
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Re: .219 Zipper
by » 21 Jan 2016, 1:49 pm
Old Fart wrote:Where is Andym?
He's just done a rebarrel project to .219
Might have some test loads to share.
Still deciding says his last post.
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Khan - Lance Corporal
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Re: .219 Zipper
by » 09 Feb 2016, 10:03 am
bentaz wrote:ADI have data for it, just not a great deal of it.
Everyone is a bit slack on data for the rarer cartridges like this.
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AusC - Sergeant
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Re: .219 Zipper
by » 10 Feb 2016, 5:57 pm
Hi I actually ended up doing a 25-35 rebarrel an that shots great with 12 grains of AR2205 and a 116 grain cast bullet gas checked.
About a week after getting that however, and what should happen but a guy from my club offer to sell me Winchester 1894 in 219 zipper with a nice 26" barrel, well isn't that always the way thing work out. (Recently I bought a rifle only to see one almost the same but with a nice octagonal barrel come up the very next day for $100 less). Anyway, I had to think about it for all of 10 minutes and once SAPOL stamp it the 219 zipper will be joining the family!
Anyway I shoot along side that guy at a fair few matches and the zipper groups beautifully, I pretty sure his load that makes it sing is 18.5 grains of AR2207 with a sierra 53 grain match king!
About a week after getting that however, and what should happen but a guy from my club offer to sell me Winchester 1894 in 219 zipper with a nice 26" barrel, well isn't that always the way thing work out. (Recently I bought a rifle only to see one almost the same but with a nice octagonal barrel come up the very next day for $100 less). Anyway, I had to think about it for all of 10 minutes and once SAPOL stamp it the 219 zipper will be joining the family!
Anyway I shoot along side that guy at a fair few matches and the zipper groups beautifully, I pretty sure his load that makes it sing is 18.5 grains of AR2207 with a sierra 53 grain match king!
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Re: .219 Zipper
by » 16 Feb 2016, 10:31 am
What convinced you out of the .219 in the end?
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