Gwion wrote:I was looking at the 45gn for pest control. Normal 40-45gns are too short to seat right for my 223 and a copper bullet would be longer for the weight but at over $2 a pop, that's expensive pest control!!! Currently shooting bullets that cost me 22c each...
Gwion wrote:Yep, Zmax with trail boss is a cheap way to go and puts my 223 at about 1850fps with a 50gn. I was getting 2100 or just over with 40gn bullets but the seating depth gave irratic accuracy.
brett1868 wrote:I believe steel shot is mandatory for duck hunting in some states but you'd have to check the hunting regulations. I use a lot of brass VLD projectiles in the .416 Barrett that I got custom made for me by Eric at Woodleigh in Victoria. There's also a number of manufacturers doing CNC solid copper projectiles such as the Cutting Edge Copper Raptor range that come in .223 amongst other sizes. Daryl at Meplat Services imports the Cutting Edge range into Australia and he's a good guy to deal with. There are also some solid steel projectiles on the market but they are special use due to being hard on barrels.
deadkitty wrote:Gwion wrote:Yep, Zmax with trail boss is a cheap way to go and puts my 223 at about 1850fps with a 50gn. I was getting 2100 or just over with 40gn bullets but the seating depth gave irratic accuracy.
Are those the 50gr Zmax?, any ideas on what the maximum charge of Trail Boss is?, I have an awful lot of 50gr Zmax projectiles (bought while on special at Rebel sports) and bought a can of Trail Boss for sub sonic/ mild loads to reduce noise, it would be handy to have a practical useful load for the two of them. Cheers
darwindingo wrote:DK..I busted a tooth on steel shot once...
MR. WINCHESTER wrote:deadkitty wrote:Thanks guys, that's a bit of info to work my way through, still looking for composite projectiles and any terminal ballistic data on them. Might have to search Californian gun stores. Cheers .
REALLY ?
Californian ANYTHING, is probably the lowest common denominator .... unless one is a rampant Green / Greenie.
deadkitty wrote:Just a couple of questions on those brass projectiles Brett, given they are lighter did you notice higher initial velocities? did you get extra distance?. Is there anywhere I can find the load data for them? Thanks for the other info, I'll look up the Raptors. Cheers
deadkitty wrote:Yep that's me! the rampant greenie , also....California has mandatory lead free shooting areas, so I figured they would have info on lead free projectiles....... and somewhere they sell the composite ones Iḿ trying to find out about. Cheers
deadkitty wrote:Gwion wrote:Yep, Zmax with trail boss is a cheap way to go and puts my 223 at about 1850fps with a 50gn. I was getting 2100 or just over with 40gn bullets but the seating depth gave irratic accuracy.
Are those the 50gr Zmax?, any ideas on what the maximum charge of Trail Boss is?, I have an awful lot of 50gr Zmax projectiles (bought while on special at Rebel sports) and bought a can of Trail Boss for sub sonic/ mild loads to reduce noise, it would be handy to have a practical useful load for the two of them. Cheers
deadkitty wrote:Thanks Apollo, I'm aware of the Barnes projectiles, I was thinking more along the lines of the new composite bullets they use in California
deadkitty wrote:Wobble, the composite projectiles are supposedly made from powdered metal bonded with??? I'll assume some kind of epoxy, I came across them in an article in a mates shooting mag ages ago, searched all my old Australian Shooter mags and couldn't find it anywhere.
Rifle realist wrote:Hello Dead Kitty
Perhaps the projectiles you are looking at might be the sintered metal/epoxy they use for shooting metallic targets.
Cheers
bladeracer wrote:deadkitty wrote:Wobble, the composite projectiles are supposedly made from powdered metal bonded with??? I'll assume some kind of epoxy, I came across them in an article in a mates shooting mag ages ago, searched all my old Australian Shooter mags and couldn't find it anywhere.
Okay, these are just powdered copper and/or brass like Hornady's NTX in .204 and .223, although a powdered copper bullet encased in a copper jacket probably doesn't constitute a "composite" label
My impression was that these are mainly for the smaller caliber bullets but I'll have to do some research to see if they use them for bigger stuff also.
I thought they were merely compressed powder without a bonding agent though.
I forgot earlier that Hornady also do a monolithic copper bullet, the GMX.
In the bigger calibers there are an awful lot of non-lead bullet alternatives.
deadkitty wrote: Yep, I've seen the ammo, but I'm looking for projectiles to reload and I can't find the NTX in .223 as a projectile, only as bullets At this rate I might have to buy a lathe! ....mmmm wonder what the wife might say on that one. Cheers
Gwion wrote:These are the guys I mentioned that do sample pack lots for testing before you shell out on bulk buys.
Gwion wrote:If you get some, let me know how they go. Do you use the 162amax?
Wondering how close they are. On paper almost identical. I think they have made one ELD brand a hunting round and the other a target but that's just an assumption based on so many using the Amax as a hunting round when it was designed for target use.