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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by gazza » 11 Oct 2015, 8:50 pm

Whatever you want, get it now. It isn't going to get any easier in the short term.
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by brett1868 » 11 Oct 2015, 10:29 pm

I put a few rounds through my brothers AR50 A1 chambered in 416 barret this week. It has about the same recoil as a 17HMR! I would be a bit scared to fire it without the muzzle brake though because the instruction manual says that doing so could cause serious injury or death. You need to be built like Arny to shoot it in any position other than prone and to carry it further than a few metres too. So recoil is not necessarily a problem with larger calibres but the noise makes you flinch a bit until you get used to it.


I'll second the comment on .416 recoil, I can shoot it all day without worry where as smaller calibres left bruises after only a few shots.

Tac 50 kicks but is manageable, M99 .416 barely moves me, the DTA HTI 50 kicks like an angry mule and I think in the 2nd or 3rd shot it knocks a filling out of my tooth.
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by brett1868 » 12 Oct 2015, 6:56 am

bentaz wrote:So does the DTA still get a run? I have to think that the other 50 would be a lot more fun to shoot and the DTA would be fun to watch others shoot, lol.


The DTA is essentially purpose setup for .375 Cheytac long range hunting these days and I don't shoot 50 BMG from it much. I have the .416 Barrett conversion for it as well but have never used it due to the M99 being so much softer on the shoulder and I don't have any hunting projectiles for .416. Of the big stuff the .416 is brilliant, 1/3 MOA accuracy and effective range out past 1500m makes it a favourite of mine. Reloading is fairly inexpensive at less then $3.50 a shot compared to almost $6.50 for the 1/2". The M95 Barrett is my preferred 50 followed by the Big Mac and if I want to test my manliness then I'll put some rounds through the DTA.
I've got some video of a 100m 3 shot group from the M99 .416 which I'll post in the coming days, end result was a 1/3" group.

I did price up a Browning 12ga with rifled barrel and almost bought it till I worked out the cost per shot...was more expensive then shooting factory Hornady 50BMG so that idea got shelved. Next on the project list is a Lilija match barrel for the Tac50 and saving up for the Anzio 20/50 :)
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 12 Oct 2015, 7:13 am

Come on brett... you soft or something?? 375....416.....small bore stuff; when are you getting a vulcan?
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Post by brett1868 » 12 Oct 2015, 9:20 am

<<Genesis93>> wrote:Come on brett... you soft or something?? 375....416.....small bore stuff; when are you getting a vulcan?


Saving up for the Anzio 20/50 :)

It's a 20mm Vulcan necked down to 50 Cal so it'll fire the 750Gr AMAX's I use in my existing rifles. I've saved up most of the purchase price but need a little more to cover the expense of reloading dies, case forming dies, cases, import fees and taxes. Another 3-6 months with any luck should be here, then I'll need a custom made safe to fit it in....

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The 50BMG looks a little small compared to the other 2.
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by bigtone » 12 Oct 2015, 9:58 am

20mm vulcan.......DAMN!
I am interested to hear if the DTA HTI kicks so bad with the 416 barrel fitted. The AR 50 version of 416 is not really what i would consider portable. Have you tried to fit a better brake to the HTI?
It's not banned in Queensland but you just can't have one!
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 12 Oct 2015, 10:07 am

nah, wont get through 'borderfarce'.... its got an AR15 grip. :lol: :lol: ....

I can just imagine the phone conversation when they give you the news,

"Sorry sir, the 'weapon' contains a part off a military rifle that could potentially be converted grip up, to fire the 5.56NATO round"

"So I cant have my 1 million Joule producing rifle because somehow I might convert it to a 223Remington??"

"No sir, 5.56NATO, but um,,, Yes."

"Bwaaahahahahaha you ******"


But seriously, why would you want a 50 that just burns barrels? That vulcan case would probably pack around 500 if not more grains behind the little half in proj.... go 20mm! just make sure you write on the pta Victorian Sambar!
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by brett1868 » 12 Oct 2015, 11:18 am

50 Cal is legal in NSW, I can import the Anzio no problems and I can get the reloading components over the counter without any grief. Getting a 20mm Vulcan through customs would involve way too much paperwork and a G.G permit plus some reloading components are non existent here. I had to have the Barrett .416 projectiles custom made and did the initial testing and load development myself. I don't want to do this again for 20mm, I'm of the belief the 20/50 will have better ballistics and shoot flatter then the regular 50BMG cartridge, similar to how the .416 Barrett behaves.

Swapping the brake on the HTI 50 barrel was considered and is on the back burner of projects as I really enjoy hearing bad language from others when shooting it for the first time.
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by Wobble » 12 Oct 2015, 1:05 pm

brett1868 wrote:Another 3-6 months with any luck should be here, then I'll need a custom made safe to fit it in....


You must be about better off soon to have a strongroom built, no?
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 12 Oct 2015, 1:10 pm

ok...20mm might have to be a local build...

but the Vulcan is a kickass round.... I'm sure you'll really get the 750's singing necked down in that case.... considering the 20 will do 3610+fps / 820gr load!! / 1715gr proj..... = 49k ftlb (compare to 50BMG 13k, 308win 2.6k)

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(Theres also 25mm and 30mm in the manual!!!)
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Post by Xerox » 14 Oct 2015, 9:56 am

brett1868 wrote:Swapping the brake on the HTI 50 barrel was considered and is on the back burner of projects as I really enjoy hearing bad language from others when shooting it for the first time.


And the occasional black eye is probably funny :lol:
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by inventurkey » 15 Oct 2015, 2:02 pm

Always funny :mrgreen:
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 15 Oct 2015, 4:49 pm

...........so.... I dont think there is technically a calibre limit; but if you were going for the 20x102 aka 20mm Vulcan, you have a hard time convincing the registry on the pta that you had a 'genuine need' for it.
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by brett1868 » 15 Oct 2015, 7:50 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:...........so.... I dont think there is technically a calibre limit; but if you were going for the 20x102 aka 20mm Vulcan, you have a hard time convincing the registry on the pta that you had a 'genuine need' for it.


I'm thinking long range Camel culling would suffice as a genuine reason. I recall reading something about 50BMG being the biggest chambering / highest energy round permitted without G.G permit in NSW but buggered if I can be bothered looking for it.
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 15 Oct 2015, 9:25 pm

If you asked the GG - he would probably ask for a shoot!
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by brett1868 » 15 Oct 2015, 10:12 pm

Current G.G is Sir Peter Cosgrove so he'd be able to teach me how to strip and clean a Vulcan :)
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 16 Oct 2015, 8:51 pm

And strip clean reassemble an SLR with a blind fold..... id like to think :D

While his predecessor probably couldnt strip a mattress :clap:
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Post by Pilch » 22 Oct 2015, 9:15 am

brett1868 wrote:I recall reading something about 50BMG being the biggest chambering / highest energy round permitted without G.G permit in NSW but buggered if I can be bothered looking for it.


That'd be a first if they actually worked out the energy on something instead of just arbitrarily picking a calibre like they've done elsewhere.
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by happyhunter » 26 Oct 2015, 11:38 pm

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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by brett1868 » 27 Oct 2015, 12:08 am

About the same diameter as a 250ml Twist Top beer bottle, I found that out when I ran out of oranges.... :)
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by Gwion » 27 Oct 2015, 6:34 am

happyhunter wrote:What caibre is an orange cannon?


I think the standard is 90mm, although they are sometimes offered in 75mm. :lol:
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 27 Oct 2015, 6:44 am

The big game version for grapefruit... :D
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by VICHunter » 28 Oct 2015, 12:52 pm

brett1868 wrote:About the same diameter as a 250ml Twist Top beer bottle, I found that out when I ran out of oranges.... :)


:allegedly: ;)
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Re: Most powerful rifle round legal in Australia

Post by Die Judicii » 14 Nov 2015, 12:43 am

Harper wrote:
Lorgar wrote:
John445 wrote:But from what I've read a lot of people have been rejected saying that target shooting or hunting isn't sufficient reason for that calibre specifically. 338 mag is about the limit that everyone can readily get, with little/no questions asked.


Yet if you apply for a 338 Lapua Mag you'll likely get shut down :roll:


I havnt read all comments on all these pages, so in relation to "Harpers" comment I cant help but wonder about the venerable yet humble old .375 H+H Mag.

Its not all that much different in performance,,,,, and an awful lot of people in Aus have got them with little problems.

338 Lapua Mag > 2,655 fps and 4696 ft/lbs
.375 H+H Mag > 2,645 fps and 4661 ft/lbs
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by Die Judicii » 14 Nov 2015, 12:55 am

<<Genesis93>> wrote:The big game version for grapefruit... :D


Nah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "WATERMELON" and the seeded variety for added schrapnel effect :lol: :thumbsup:
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Re: Most powerful rifle round legal in Australia

Post by happyhunter » 14 Nov 2015, 10:32 am

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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by happyhunter » 14 Nov 2015, 10:33 am

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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 14 Nov 2015, 11:06 am

It is...... :thumbsup:

This is the offical ADI isting of the top 100 loads, sorted by Muzzle energy,
(same bullet mass, different velocity would be different brand of bullet or different powder type)
Note there may be other commercial big-bangers not covered by ADI....;


ADI loads gr vel E(ftlb)
50 Browning Machine Gun 655 3029 13346
50 Browning Machine Gun 800 2725 13193
50 Browning Machine Gun 750 2800 13058
460 Weatherby Magnum 600 2457 8044
460 Weatherby Magnum 600 2439 7927
460 Weatherby Magnum 500 2508 6985
460 Weatherby Magnum 500 2478 6818
460 Weatherby Magnum 500 2469 6769
416 Weatherby Magnum 350 2891 6497
416 Weatherby Magnum 400 2703 6490
416 Weatherby Magnum 400 2687 6414
416 Weatherby Magnum 300 3051 6202
460 Weatherby Magnum 400 2610 6051
460 Weatherby Magnum 400 2589 5954
460 Weatherby Magnum 350 2760 5921
470 Nitro Express 500 2300 5874
500 Jeffery 500 2300 5874
460 Weatherby Magnum 400 2565 5845
500 CYRUS 500 2291 5828
460 Weatherby Magnum 350 2737 5823
378 Weatherby Magnum 270 3102 5770
378 Weatherby Magnum 300 2940 5759
378 Weatherby Magnum 270 3091 5729
378 Weatherby Magnum 300 2926 5704
500 CYRUS 500 2251 5626
500 CYRUS 500 2250 5621
470 Nitro Express 500 2247 5606
500 CYRUS 500 2242 5582
460 Weatherby Magnum 350 2678 5574
500 CYRUS 400 2501 5557
470 Nitro Express 500 2234 5542
500 CYRUS 350 2654 5475
500 CYRUS 350 2653 5471
378 Weatherby Magnum 235 3224 5425
416 Rigby 350 2641 5422
416 Rigby 400 2470 5420
500 CYRUS 400 2470 5420
470 Nitro Express 500 2202 5384
416 Rigby 400 2456 5358
500 CYRUS 325 2724 5356
500 CYRUS 400 2455 5354
378 Weatherby Magnum 235 3202 5351
500 CYRUS 350 2623 5348
500 CYRUS 325 2722 5348
416 Remington Magnum 350 2622 5344
500 CYRUS 325 2720 5340
458 Winchester Magnum 500 2185 5301
375 Rem.U.M. 250 3090 5301
338-378 Weatherby Magnum 215 3331 5298
416 Rigby 350 2609 5291
338-378 Weatherby Magnum 300 2818 5291
338-378 Weatherby Magnum 210 3362 5271
416 Remington Magnum 350 2601 5259
338-378 Weatherby Magnum 225 3244 5258
338-378 Weatherby Magnum 275 2934 5257
416 Rigby 400 2432 5254
338-378 Weatherby Magnum 250 3072 5240
375 Rem.U.M. 235 3163 5221
458 Winchester Magnum 350 2589 5210
416 Weatherby Magnum 400 2419 5198
458 Winchester Magnum 300 2793 5197
338-378 Weatherby Magnum 265 2970 5191
458 Winchester Magnum 500 2161 5186
375 Rem.U.M. 225 3214 5162
375 Rem.U.M. 270 2932 5155
416 Remington Magnum 400 2407 5147
458 Winchester Magnum 400 2407 5147
416 Remington Magnum 300 2779 5145
458 Winchester Magnum 500 2152 5142
338-378 Weatherby Magnum 200 3400 5135
416 Rigby 300 2776 5134
450 Nitro Express 500 2150 5133
450 Nitro Express 500 2150 5133
375 Rem.U.M. 270 2922 5120
416 Rigby 325 2660 5107
416 Remington Magnum 400 2395 5095
375 Rem.U.M. 285 2836 5091
458 Winchester Magnum 500 2140 5085
416 Remington Magnum 400 2391 5078
375 Rem.U.M. 285 2830 5069
338-378 Weatherby Magnum 265 2932 5059
416 Remington Magnum 350 2551 5058
416 Rigby 350 2551 5058
375 Rem.U.M. 210 3293 5057
500 CYRUS 400 2386 5057
375 Rem.U.M. 235 3111 5051
458 Winchester Magnum 300 2753 5050
458 Winchester Magnum 350 2548 5046
375 Rem.U.M. 250 3010 5030
338-378 Weatherby Magnum 300 2747 5028
416 Remington Magnum 300 2745 5020
458 Winchester Magnum 500 2123 5005
50-140 Sharps 515 2091 5001
416 Rigby 325 2631 4996
458 Winchester Magnum 450 2235 4992
375 Rem.U.M. 210 3271 4990
50-140 Sharps 515 2088 4986
338-378 Weatherby Magnum 200 3350 4985
375 Rem.U.M. 300 2733 4976
375 Rem.U.M. 260 2935 4974
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 14 Nov 2015, 11:09 am

375H&H comes in at 168.....
338La-pooa at 160, but no.1 on the police radar.....whatever....
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Re: Largest legal calibre here in Aus?

Post by happyhunter » 15 Nov 2015, 8:27 am

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