7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

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7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by Rocker » 03 Feb 2017, 9:56 am

I shooting a 30-06 at the moment which is about right for me in terms of handling and recoil, but I like the idea of having something with a bit more oomph for longer shots and an all round game rifle.

Brought me to the 7mm vs .30 performance debate.

Am I right in thinking that the 7mm rem mag while having more energy than a .30-06 at longer range should be about equal in recoil?

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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by Mick280 » 03 Feb 2017, 12:11 pm

You're shooting a 45-70 mate!!
You'll have no trouble with the 7mm!!
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 03 Feb 2017, 3:31 pm

the 'Aught' six....at the heaviest end of loadings would generate 5-10% less recoil than the RemMag.... which is still around half that of the 45Gov....

Ballistics wise, the 7mm is a mag, so if it didnt have the edge over the old 30..... then winchester may as well go back to the drawing board....Not that 7's are any good.... wrong size hole... :)
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by Mick280 » 03 Feb 2017, 5:07 pm

Hahahaha
Solution: .280 Rem!!!
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by Bent Arrow » 03 Feb 2017, 5:40 pm

There's an interesting article in the jan/Feb issue of nz rod and rifle. Lists the 7mm rem mag/300 win mag as the best choice for high country hunting but names the 30-06 as his sentimental favourite
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 03 Feb 2017, 6:40 pm

Mick280 wrote:Hahahaha
Solution: .280 Rem!!!

yeah, cause the 280 is not a 7mm.... :) :) and 7s are crap :lol:
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by Oldbloke » 03 Feb 2017, 8:26 pm

I have shot both. The 3006 is more of a push when the 7mm kicks you. But if your only hunting should be fine. Over a bench would be different.. Personally I'm not sure the difference is worth worrying about.

I went for the 3006 because it's one of the biggest non magnums, common, easy to get ammo and componants r cheap.
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by Mick280 » 03 Feb 2017, 8:38 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:
Mick280 wrote:Hahahaha
Solution: .280 Rem!!!

yeah, cause the 280 is not a 7mm.... :) :) and 7s are crap :lol:

Hahaha
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 04 Feb 2017, 11:45 am

Mick280 wrote:
<<Genesis93>> wrote:
Mick280 wrote:Hahahaha
Solution: .280 Rem!!!

yeah, cause the 280 is not a 7mm.... :) :) and 7s are crap :lol:

Hahaha
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nah, its a 280!..
(I should have thrown in a sarcasm emoticon)
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by Mick280 » 04 Feb 2017, 11:52 am

Hahaha
Can't argue with that!!!
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by bobnob » 04 Feb 2017, 1:36 pm

If you're going to shoot beyond 400 yards you'll start to see an advantage to the 7mm RM. Less than that you might notice no difference, in fact the 30-06 under 400y might kill more quickly owing to bigger bullets.

Hard to fault either as awesome big game rounds. If forced to choose one I'd probably pick the 7RM.
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by Rocker » 06 Feb 2017, 9:12 am

Mick280 wrote:You're shooting a 45-70 mate!!
You'll have no trouble with the 7mm!!
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Bit more on the why of the question.

At the moment I have the 30-06 and 45-70 like you saw in my sig.

Finding these days I really don't use them enough to warrant having both. I kind of end up picking one because I haven't used it in a while and go back and forth like that.

Still want a 'cover all' calibre, something for game at distance, and I'm looking to start reaching out a bit further at the range for fun and in some field shooting.

Plenty of calibres that will do that, but the misses likes a shoot now and then too, so figuring her in a bit. The 45-70 about knocks her over, 30-06 is ok for a short stint though.

Trying to keep recoil around/under that is why.
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by WhelanLad » 06 Feb 2017, 9:29 am

130gr TTSX 30 cal, yeah no dramas. doin it all
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by Mick280 » 06 Feb 2017, 1:46 pm

Rocker wrote:
Mick280 wrote:You're shooting a 45-70 mate!!
You'll have no trouble with the 7mm!!
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Bit more on the why of the question.

At the moment I have the 30-06 and 45-70 like you saw in my sig.

Finding these days I really don't use them enough to warrant having both. I kind of end up picking one because I haven't used it in a while and go back and forth like that.

Still want a 'cover all' calibre, something for game at distance, and I'm looking to start reaching out a bit further at the range for fun and in some field shooting.

Plenty of calibres that will do that, but the misses likes a shoot now and then too, so figuring her in a bit. The 45-70 about knocks her over, 30-06 is ok for a short stint though.

Trying to keep recoil around/under that is why.



Like a few of the other guys have said,The 7mm Rem has a fairly hefty boot to it once you get up in the weights ( 160 - 175gn ) projectiles you would be using to get right out there.
Also expensive to run whether you're using factory or reloading.
I understand where you're coming from and sometimes it's hard to find the ideal duel purpose set up.
Taking your wife into consideration,I think the 7 might prove a bit harsh!!
Have you considered the trusty old tried and proven .308 Win??
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by bobnob » 07 Feb 2017, 12:22 am

Mick makes a good point. They both kick a good bit. I know my missus would not like shooting either more than a shot or two.

Consider the 6.5 Creedmoor. Though on paper it looks meek compared to the 30-06, at long range it doesn't suffer much.

The Creedmoor shooting a 147g ELD bullet at say 2750fps vs a 30-06 shooting a 168g Amax at 2900fps, is an interesting comparison.

From the muzzle to 500y, the Creedmoor virtually matches the trajectory with the 30-06, and from there onwards the CM leaves the 30-06 behind. By 500y the CM is also hitting with more energy. All this with much less recoil, blast and noise, as well as a lighter rifle, all being equal.
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 07 Feb 2017, 8:20 am

Rocker wrote:
Mick280 wrote:You're shooting a 45-70 mate!!
You'll have no trouble with the 7mm!!
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Bit more on the why of the question.

At the moment I have the 30-06 and 45-70 like you saw in my sig.

Finding these days I really don't use them enough to warrant having both. I kind of end up picking one because I haven't used it in a while and go back and forth like that.

Still want a 'cover all' calibre, something for game at distance, and I'm looking to start reaching out a bit further at the range for fun and in some field shooting.

Plenty of calibres that will do that, but the misses likes a shoot now and then too, so figuring her in a bit. The 45-70 about knocks her over, 30-06 is ok for a short stint though.

Trying to keep recoil around/under that is why.



THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH....

you can apply that to many thing in life including shooting. If you want "more oomph"... you're gonna get more oomph!!

You cant satisfy the lower recoil requirement for the wife (if her technique is good, and she doesnt shoot off a bench (what even is that??!) she'll be right....my 'boss' like the 375HnH, no probs, yet the free recoil is up to twice the '06....

Recoil force is determined solely by 4 factors/variables;
1 Velocity of the projectile,
2 Mass of projectile
3 Propellant charge
4 Mass of the rifle (inversely - more mass less recoil)

So yes, you can theoretically have more oomph but you would need to damp it down with lots of countering rifle mass... (I posted the recoil calculation somewhere else...if you want to have a play with the numbers)

As far as trajectory goes, it is determined by ONLY 2 variables[all things equal, climatic conditions elevation, location on the earths surface and direction of projectile(Brett! haha)];

1 Velocity of projectile
2 Ballistic coefficient

So if you had a 50cal projectile with a ballistic coefficient of say, 0.6, alongside a 22cal projectile also with a BC of 0.6, launched them both at say 2500fps.... they would follow the identical trajectory....of course the heavier one would retain more energy at any given distance....
1 Projectile VELOCITY
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by Norton » 07 Feb 2017, 12:56 pm

Seems like a sensible choice if...

1) You're reloading.

2) Probably want to work up 2 loads. A cheap 120gr or 130gr load for the little lady to have a shot with. And a 170gr to get the best results out of it for yourself.

3) Are comfortable with the recoil, which you should be from the sounds of it.

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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by Jeff303 » 09 Apr 2017, 10:14 am

Whilst i love the rm. The 30-06 is more versitile, cheaper to run & user friendly. Its my go to for everything. ( yep, even blowing up bunnies at distance with 130hp speers, keeps the eye in :lol: )
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag vs 30-06

Post by Oldbloke » 09 Apr 2017, 4:29 pm

"Trying to keep recoil around/under that is why."
That being the case shoot a 7mm rem mag before buying. As I mentioned earlier, kicks harder than the 3006.
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