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6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by dpskipper » 05 Jun 2017, 9:18 am

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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by Gwion » 05 Jun 2017, 9:27 am

Target or hunting/varminting?
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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by dpskipper » 05 Jun 2017, 9:37 am

Pretty much everything. I want to keep my remington for mobile hunting since its not too heavy and can be carried on my back when bush walking. I want a nice target 'sniper' gun with a bipod for long range target shooting. However I don't want to rule hunting out, since that gun could be used while spotlighting on the ute...
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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by Gwion » 05 Jun 2017, 12:07 pm

I think the 6.5 is a better option for target and is also a very capable hunting round with the right bullets. People will go on about there not being much difference in drops, etc, which may be so, but when you look a the windage advantage the higher BC are very relevant.
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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by AusTac » 05 Jun 2017, 12:28 pm

6.5 has it over .308 at the moment, but there are some companies creating some interesting .308 projies to give them that extra edge, 6.5 will shoot flatter out of the box than a .308 but expect to pay for that in ammo cost
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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by dpskipper » 05 Jun 2017, 1:18 pm

I might construct a man cave some time down the road so i can reload if I get super serious about shooting. Currently i go shooting way less than i would like...
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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by Hangfire » 05 Jun 2017, 1:30 pm

6.5 creed is a purpose built target round and will beat 308w in that arena. 6.5 also has shorter barrel life and expensive ammo so you do pay for the pleasure.

I personally like the much older 6.5 x 55 has the higher BC but you wont burn out barrels as fast and its probably the most common hunting round in EU.
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Post by brett1868 » 05 Jun 2017, 7:21 pm

Picked up a Weatherby Mk.V Accumark 6.5-300 last Friday, will be fun to test out its capabilities in coming weeks. I contacted a shop in W.A about buying some cases to reload and was quoted $100 for a pack of 20, I replied I was after raw brass not loaded rounds. Apparently the brass is $5 each and loaded rounds are $11 each...Its right up there for some of the most expensive ammunition I've heard of. The saving grace for the cartridge is that you can buy Norma 300WbyMag and neck it to 6.5mm in a matter of seconds and $1.78 each is more affordable.
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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by Gwion » 05 Jun 2017, 7:25 pm

Egads! $5 for a single brass cartridge! :wtf:
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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by MalleeFarmer » 06 Jun 2017, 7:27 am

If you are a competent reloader you'll get more out of a 6.5CreedM but if you don't .308 win has very readily available and affordable quality match ammo, quality hunting ammo and cheaper Plinking ammo. Both will do hunting and target, hunting I'd give the edge to the .308 and target to the 6.5 .308 will be cheaper to run and easier to find ammo for.
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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by Bushie » 06 Jun 2017, 7:51 am

From what I've heard 6.5 is better but it's more expensive and costly to reload
Also you can go to any shop metro or rural and they will have 308 no guarantees for 6.5 yet
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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by Cooper » 06 Jun 2017, 8:36 am

I'd go the 6.5. But I went 7mm 08 instead of 308. My local has plently of 6.5 bullets and ammo. Decent Lapua and Norma brass is available now. But good luck finding anybody that has it in stock.
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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by Gwion » 06 Jun 2017, 9:17 am

Learn to reload and go the 6.5cm.

It's not like you are after something to hunt in close range as you have that covered. If you are after something to reach out further, get the thing that will handle wind better and shoot flatter.
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Post by brett1868 » 06 Jun 2017, 9:44 am

Another option in the 6.5mm family is the 260 Remington which by all reports is everything the 6.5 Creedmoor is and then a bit more. I've placed a tentative order for the Tikka T3x TAC A1 in .260 from my preferred dealer. If you're considering the 6.5mm route then don't limit your choices to the Creedmoor as there are several chambering's available, a mate shoots 6.5x47 Lap with great results, then there's the 6.5x55, 6.5-300, 6.5 Rem Mag along with others..
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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by Gwion » 06 Jun 2017, 10:15 am

sungazer wrote:To worry about trajectory after a few hundred meters is a bit misplaced. Whether it is 85 inches (2,1m) or 65 inches (1.6m) is neither here or there. You either have to dial off 13 moa or whatever or be extremely good with holdover.


As i mentioned in a previous post, this may be mostly the case with your trajectory for range (elevation) but when it comes to allowing for wind, a higher BC means that small changes in wind will have less affect on the lateral movement of the bullet. This is an advantage at any distance. If a slight change in wind pushes you out of the bull with a lower BC, chances are a higher BC will keep you in the ring. Obviously, more significant wind changes will still need to be calculated and dialed in but those pesky little ones that push you from the X to the edge of the 6 with a higher BC will likely take your from the X to the 5 with a lower BC and take 2-3 shots to confirm it is the wind, not just a bad shot. In this example, the lower BC can lose you 2-3 points but the lower BC may only cost you 0.3 points.

The difference in windage between the 308s i shoot against and my 7mm08 is significant, even if the elevation difference is, in reality, nominal..
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Post by Gwion » 06 Jun 2017, 10:32 am

brett1868 wrote:Another option in the 6.5mm family is the 260 Remington which by all reports is everything the 6.5 Creedmoor is and then a bit more. I've placed a tentative order for the Tikka T3x TAC A1 in .260 from my preferred dealer. If you're considering the 6.5mm route then don't limit your choices to the Creedmoor as there are several chambering's available, a mate shoots 6.5x47 Lap with great results, then there's the 6.5x55, 6.5-300, 6.5 Rem Mag along with others..


Totally agree. If you don't have your heart set on a particular rifle that only offers the Creedmore, look around at different rigs and consider other 6.5 cartridges, like the 260rem. There are many who argue the 6.5creedmore was just a 260rem done differently. Also, the difference in shoulder angle means the 260rem will feed smoother from a mag while the 6.5creedmore will have less brass migration. The Creedmore was designed as a target round and the 260rem as a hunting round. Ballisticly, there is bugger all between them.

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http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2017/03/six-five-smackdown-the-260-remington-vs-6-5x55-swedish/ wrote:Other 6.5mm Contenders: 6.5×47 Lapua and 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Rem
by Laurie Holland
Since I wrote those words some time back, I’ve acquired the three small contenders – .260 Rem, 6.5X47L, and most recently the 6.5mm Hornady Creedmoor and started doing load development and comparative tests. All three rifles have match-length barrels (28 or 30-inch 1:8s) — two NZ True-Flites and on the .260, a 30-inch 5R Bartlein.
How the barrel is throated is a key issue with this trio. In my case, I have always had the feeling that the .260 Rem and 6.x5x47L are at their best with 120-130 grain bullets and both have been chambered to suit the 123gr Scenar seated optimally. Both shoot this bullet fantastically well at getting on for 3,000 fps using Vihtavuori N150. I’m constantly amazed by this bullet’s external ballistics performance at up to 900 yards. I’ve yet to try it at 1,000. No, you won’t stand up to someone shooting a 7 WSM or .284 Shehane with 180gr Hybrids or VLDs at 900 or 1,000 in rough conditions in an F-Open match, but that applies to the 6.5-284 too.
I’m very taken with all three cartridges. The 6.5×47 Lapua is an outstanding mid-range number IMHO. The .260 a good all-rounder. But I have a ‘feeling’ that I am going to end up very fond of the Creedmoor and can understand its tremendous success in the USA. Over here in the UK, it barely registers with target shooters, and I doubt if at all with what US shooters call ‘hunters’, we call ‘deerstalkers’. Fortunately, I was able to get 300 pieces of Hornady brass a couple of years ago, but we can get very strong Lapua .22-250 Rem cases here easily and they can be necked-up / fire-formed albeit to produce a slightly short-necked 6.5 HCM.”
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Re: 6.5 creed vs .308 win

Post by dpskipper » 06 Jun 2017, 11:31 am

Thanks guys for the info. .260rem sounds like a great round, and I'm assuming more availability and cheaper rounds. Does anybody know if the tikkia adjustable stock and be swapped over to right/left hand? I'm having a hard time finding tacticool bolt guns that support lefty shooters. cheers.
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Post by Gwion » 06 Jun 2017, 11:40 am

Being a lefty six but it your are after a gun to shoot 'prone' then a right hand action works well. You can work the bolt or load without changing your position. As long as the stock isn't specifically built for a righty. My 7-08 is a right hand action and I find it works very well shooting left handed.
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