6.5 Grendel? Thoughts?

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6.5 Grendel? Thoughts?

Post by Cooper » 08 Jan 2018, 1:44 pm

Mainly interested as I have jumped on the 6.5mm bandwagon with a 6.5 Creedmoor. So I have a fair selection of 6.5mm projectiles to try. Think the 123sst would probably go well in the 6.5 Grendel. Also I like the Howa Mini action plantform (have 204ruger and 223).

Dunno? It just a thought? I see that Ruger and CZ both do a 6.5 Grendel also with 1-8 twist barrels. Whereas the Howa has a 1-10 twist (still should be good for up to 129gr projectiles) I wouldn't want to run 140s in the Grendel anyway?

Tried searching here. Didn't find much? Anybody got a 6.5 Grendel on here?
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Post by sungazer » 08 Jan 2018, 3:24 pm

Whats your thinking other than "can never have to many toys (guns) he who has the most wins" What twist do you have on your Creedmoor they usually push the 140s ok.
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Post by Cooper » 08 Jan 2018, 4:37 pm

sungazer wrote:Whats your thinking other than "can never have to many toys (guns) he who has the most wins" What twist do you have on your Creedmoor they usually push the 140s ok.


Yeah pretty much. Just another toy! But I also reckon it would be a nice mild calibre to shoot and something in between 223 and 6.5 Creedmoor. My Creedmoor has a 1-8 twist barrel. But it is 26inch heavy barrel. So it not exactly a walk around rifle.
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Post by sungazer » 08 Jan 2018, 7:31 pm

Mate there would be nothing in it. As for the weight pff neither here or there. It is a cartridge for accuracy and speed so the extra length is useful. I had a look at the ADI book and there is no reason you could not load just below minimum loads for the same bullet as the max load on the 6.5 G. The range of projectiles seem very limited for that cartridge. I think your on a winner with the 6.5 C.
I will have to take some pics of my Christmas presents just started the break in and the Creedmoor is looking spectacular for the arbitrary middle of the range loads I picked just to break in.
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Post by slickncghia » 18 Jan 2018, 11:50 am

I thought about that howa Grendel for a while.

If I was you and wanted just a softer shooting 6.5 I would look at just downloading the 61/2 creed with 2206H (best downloading powder)

2206H is H4895. read up on it. I use it in my 30-06 for my 150gn 2000ft/sec mild loads
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Post by Norton » 19 Jan 2018, 11:33 am

The Grendel is a weird one to me.

Another one of these wildcats that do a tweak here or there to have some differences that sound appealing on paper but at the end of the day don't do anything.

They're meant to be more accurate then the 5.56 while keeping the same cartridge length. Basically they chopped off the bottom of a 6.5CM, so you have these high BC projectiles but not as much powder driving them and more limited range. Less recoil, but whatever, it's not like the 6.5CM is a savage cartridge.

Compared to the 6.5CM you basically trade range and performance to have a cartridge that's a cm shorter shorter. How is that cartridge being shorter useful, really? :unknown:
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Post by SillyWetTas » 24 Jan 2018, 8:17 pm

I think if want a Grendel get it .
To me it is win win win.
Less powder less noise les recoil.
You don't need "bigger and better".
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Post by VICHunter » 25 Jan 2018, 12:29 pm

Norton wrote:Compared to the 6.5CM you basically trade range and performance to have a cartridge that's a cm shorter shorter. How is that cartridge being shorter useful, really? :unknown:


Isn't it so you can say the bolt through is shorter? Saves you that 0.01 of a second when a deer is bolting from you :sarcasm:
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Post by SCJ429 » 10 Feb 2018, 9:17 am

Extremely accurate, very efficient and pleasant to shoot. What is not to like about the Gendel? Use flat based projectiles out to 300 metres, it is not a long range caliber which will do well in windy conditions..for the right application it is hard to beat.
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Post by Gamerancher » 10 Feb 2018, 9:58 am

The 6.5 Grendel is based on the 7.62 x 39 case, necked down to 6.5mm, blown out shoulder and the primer pocket changed to take small rifle primers. It was specifically designed for use in the AR platform as a long range performer. ( Sorry SCJ429 ). It is very similar to the PPC range of cases.
It has a smaller case capacity than the Creedmoor so it won't push the heavier projectiles as fast.
It now being available in relatively cheap, lightweight hunting rifles, ( think Howa ) , it would make a good choice for a walkabout hunting rifle. :thumbsup:
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Post by marksman » 10 Feb 2018, 10:09 am

just go straight to the 6.5x284 :thumbsup:
very very accurate round, great killing round, easy to shoot and reload for :drinks:
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Post by Gamerancher » 10 Feb 2018, 10:22 am

As are most 6.5's.
I was replying to his question directly, I took it that he is after a cheap, lightweight, "walkabout" rifle. I don't think he's chasing the World Long Range Title. :lol:
Cooper wrote "My Creedmoor has a 1-8 twist barrel. But it is 26inch heavy barrel. So it not exactly a walk around rifle." :unknown:
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Post by marksman » 10 Feb 2018, 10:27 am

be cheap to rechamber to 6.5x284 :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Gamerancher » 10 Feb 2018, 10:30 am

But then he doesn't increase the number of "toys" he owns. :thumbsup:
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Post by SCJ429 » 10 Feb 2018, 9:36 pm

No stress, they say it is a long range performer in a AR platform but it just cannot push high bc VLDs quick enough to be competitive with 6BR types but the BR will not feed well in an AR. Same as trying to use a 6PPC against the 6BR at 500. If you want to shoot super accurately out to 300 the Grendel will do well but from 500 to 1000 you will get cleaned up by other cases. The heaviest pills most guys would use in the Gendel is around 120 grain. The 223 can be used in long range competition also but it hasn't won anything for many years.

The Grendel's parent case is the 220 Russian but the good thing is you can get factory Lapua Gendel brass, no fire forming needed. I have a 30BR in a hunting rifle, it really hammers but it is not a long range performer.
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Post by sungazer » 11 Feb 2018, 8:48 am

The 223 is still used in competition in F Standard and in the hands of a good shooter is competitive at least out to 600 then it gets a bit harder but will still do ok even out to the 900 and with a push the 1000.
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Post by Smiley » 11 Feb 2018, 6:51 pm

My favorite 6.5mm is the 6.5x47lapua.
Just putting it out there.
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Post by Cooper » 12 Feb 2018, 8:14 am

Still thinking about the Grendel. Not in rush. I’ve been shooting a few 95gr Vmax out the Creedmoor on game for some pretty impressive results. The Grendel obviously cannot match those speeds. But I reckon the 95gr Vmax would still pretty effective out to say 300 metres.
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