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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by bladeracer » 12 Jan 2018, 3:26 pm

YoungBuck wrote:Thanks for the offer, but it's all good. I'll try different weights of factory rounds first and see how I go. :drinks:


It just occurred to me, Hornady do a low-recoil line of ammo called "Custom-Lite".
It includes an 87gn SST .243 load.
I have no idea if it's available in Oz.
But I could load some 87gn VMax's at the same velocity and see how they feel.

https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/243-win-87-gr-sst-custom-lite#!/

87gn SST at 2800fps.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 12 Jan 2018, 3:29 pm

Daddybang wrote:Hey yb were ya using the ppu 90's?
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Bingo. Bought a couple of boxes of it to get the shots on paper and zero it.

bladeracer wrote:What position are shooting from? Prone will give you the most recoil feedback, seated from a bench would be better, standing is better still.
I would try a muzzle brake. You don't know anybody with a braked .243 you could try?

Was shooting from fold-out table I took with me, but I think it might have been a little low which might have contributed to the issue.
The brother of an in-law might have a break but my barrel isn't threaded... Tikka t3x Lite SS.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Daddybang » 12 Jan 2018, 3:38 pm

Thought so :D the ppu are cheaper than the name brands regardless of weight cause they're made in Serbia or one of those eastern Europe countries. And the felt recoil is a lot more than winchester or federal maybe the thicker case?. :thumbsup:
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 12 Jan 2018, 3:41 pm

Daddybang wrote:Or maybe try Fusion brand(yellow and orange pkt) 95gr subs (stated mv of 905fps) if I remember right. Bought some for the missus when the ppu were giving her a bit of grief and she found them much easier. :drinks:

I can't tell if you're taking the piss or not lol :lol:
Either way, won't really work for me as the purpose of the rifle will be for larger targets and foxes at extended ranges (130+m) and occasionally mincing some bunnies which I am looking forward to :twisted: .

bladeracer wrote:It just occurred to me, Hornady do a low-recoil line of ammo called "Custom-Lite".
It includes an 87gn SST .243 load.
I have no idea if it's available in Oz.
But I could load some 87gn VMax's at the same velocity and see how they feel.

https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/243-win-87-gr-sst-custom-lite#!/

87gn SST at 2800fps.

Thx for the tip - I'll keep an eye out for these mate, trouble with the Hornady rounds is the damn things are at a premium price compared to everything else!
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by bladeracer » 12 Jan 2018, 3:43 pm

YoungBuck wrote:The brother of an in-law might have a break but my barrel isn't threaded... Tikka t3x Lite SS.


If you can have a shot with a braked rifle and think it helps then threading the muzzle is pretty easy to do.

That Hornady Custom-Lite load with the 87gn SST at 2800fps would be more than one-grain lower than ADI's starting load so it should be pretty comfortable.
The Hornady Custom 87gn VMax load is 3240fps for comparison.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Daddybang » 12 Jan 2018, 3:44 pm

Nah not taking the piss :lol: :drinks:
We don't shoot much over100 at home.
Winchester make a 58 gr that's also pretty easy on the shoulder :drinks:
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by bladeracer » 12 Jan 2018, 3:49 pm

YoungBuck wrote:Thx for the tip - I'll keep an eye out for these mate, trouble with the Hornady rounds is the damn things are at a premium price compared to everything else!


That's why we reload ;-)
My bother is using Federal 75gn HP factory ammo for full-power loads, but only until he has a nice batch of brass to reload.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Oldbloke » 12 Jan 2018, 4:56 pm

"That Hornady Custom-Lite load with the 87gn SST at 2800fps would be more than one-grain lower than ADI's starting load so it should be pretty comfortable."

I agree. Ideal for his use too.
Sounds like YB needs to get into reloading.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Daddybang » 12 Jan 2018, 8:42 pm

I think I dropped a 2 off the mv stated above :unknown: :drinks:
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 12 Jan 2018, 8:48 pm

Daddybang wrote:I think I dropped a 2 off the mv stated above :unknown: :drinks:

Ah that explains why I though you were taking the piss - 95gr at 980fps :lol: Just Googled it, yes its 2980fps.
Does it really produce a lighter recoil? The PPU 90gr is pretty much the same MV - 2969fps.

edit: scratch that last, it's 3100fps (945m/s).
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Oldbloke » 12 Jan 2018, 9:18 pm

If the ammo you are shooting is about equal to the ADI starting load it will be fairly mild recoil.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Bent Arrow » 12 Jan 2018, 9:24 pm

If the tikka still has the factory recoil pad on it, buy a limbsaver precision first pad for it, should be model 10011. I put one on my tikka T3 Hunter in 25-06 and it made a BIG difference. Screws straight on and fits neatly. I'd be very surprised if you were disappointed
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Daddybang » 12 Jan 2018, 10:31 pm

YoungBuck wrote:
Daddybang wrote:I think I dropped a 2 off the mv stated above :unknown: :drinks:

Ah that explains why I though you were taking the piss - 95gr at 980fps :lol: Just Googled it, yes its 2980fps.
Does it really produce a lighter recoil? The PPU 90gr is pretty much the same MV - 2969fps.

edit: scratch that last, it's 3100fps (945m/s).


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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 20 Jan 2018, 9:36 pm

This thread is getting well off topic, but for those following along I did put on an after market recoil pad which has made quite the difference ("Smartcells advanced recoil pad").
I fired 20 x rounds at LR range today and my shoulder is only very slightly sore from it. Far less sore than from the 6 shots last time with the stock pad. Feels more like a pulled muscle now rather than bruising. Could have fired another dozen rounds before getting discomfort I reckon.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Oldbloke » 20 Jan 2018, 10:33 pm

Good. Much better then.
Are the group OK?

Reminds me I need a new one on my 3006 must be 25 yr old. Lol. Gone hard.
Will give the old one a good test tomorrow.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Member-Deleted » 24 Jan 2018, 9:05 am

I’ve been shooting the 95gr SST Hornady factory ammo for $53 dollars a box 20, then changed to 80gr GMX Hornday for $67 dollars a box. My gun hated them so now I’m shooting the 87gr OSA buffalo river at $39 dollars and they shoot great. They have 70gr aswell for around the same price. I wouldn’t go any lighter than that on my .243. As to using lighter rounds for less recoil I’ve never really felt a difference in it with all the rounds I’ve tried over the years with .243 it’s not a real kicker.... Shoot more with it and you’ll get use to it and relax a bit. I have a 45/70 1886 Winchester with a steel butt plate and I have seen people shoot that for the first time and hold it so tight it kills them.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 24 Jan 2018, 10:29 am

Wadogger wrote:now I’m shooting the 87gr OSA buffalo river at $39 dollars and they shoot great.

Of the 3 different ammo brands I shot, the Buffalo River 70gr was the only one to shoot sub MOA. I would now like to get another couple boxes of the 70gr and a box each of the 87gr and 100gr to see how they perform.
Anyone know a Melb GS that sells Buff River ammo for a decent price?
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jan 2018, 12:07 pm

Sounds like YB needs to get into reloading...........Am I repeating myself here?

I can load my 3006 with 130gr proj for $17 a box of 20. I never buy ammo. The LGS is asking $33 a box of 20 150 gr plus my fuel to drive to the LGS.

He doesn't sell 130gr ammo only the bullets. So I get what I want this way.

A Lee kit is about $260 from memory. The kit should pay for its self in about 10 boxes.
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LGS lists 75 gr Hornady vmax at $49 a 100. And ADI lists AR2208 36gr as a middle of the road load. So reloading cost is about $15.40 a box of 20 for you. (not counting your time and brass, but you have that now.)

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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 24 Jan 2018, 1:13 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Sounds like YB needs to get into reloading...........Am I repeating myself here?

Lol yes I noticed your repetition!
Didn't think I'd need to look at reloading so soon, then again I suppose the sooner I start the sooner the I start saving coin.
Sh*t looking at those numbers you posted it really does make sense to start sooner than later.
Guess I'll start researching. Gonna need a bench in the garage too now, no way the mrs will let me do this in the house.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jan 2018, 2:22 pm

You don’t need heaps of stuff to start reloading. Some can be made or purchased second hand
YOU MUST HAVE *
* O or C Frame press-Any 7/8” press, some come with the priming tool - I have a simplex. The "O" is stronger.
* Priming tool
* Shell holder
* Dies- MUST have for each calibre. Lee RGB are the cheapest to get you started. ~$45
* Loading block(s) Easy to make
* Sizing lube- Any heavy oil will do or Lanox
* Powder funnel-Must have one of these.
* Scales. A MUST. Beam or electronic. I have beam. And everyone winges about the lee scales??
* Components, Powder, Primers Projectiles, Cases
* Access to ADI Powder manual-for loading data.
* Manual on how to do it or someone to show you.


OPTIONAL or Can wait a while
Trimmer- I think you need to buy one of these with each cartridge in the lee kit. But a generic one is best. It will do almost any cartridge, most companies sell them. I have a simplex.
Powder scoops-Easy to make
Powder measure. (If you load lots)
Primer pocket cleaner, Easy to make
De burrer, A sharp pocket knife and fine file will do this if you have nothing else
Trickler or very tiny scoop. Easy to make too
Vernier caliper to check case length & OAL. I got away with a dial plastic one for years.
Tumbler, But I use the salt/vinegar solution. Fine for most.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Member-Deleted » 24 Jan 2018, 4:51 pm

A 223 with cheap rounds and no recoil, very accurate could of been perfect!
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Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jan 2018, 4:57 pm

Wadogger wrote:A 223 with cheap rounds and no recoil, very accurate could of been perfect!


I agree. But he went 243
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 24 Jan 2018, 5:05 pm

The purpose of the .243 was not only to take foxes at ranges beyond the .22 mag but also to be able to handle some larger pests that a .223 might not be recommended for. i.e. pigs. Hopefully sometime this year I intend to try head to NSW to plug some pigs, thus the .243 was the choice, otherwise I'd have gone .223.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Member-Deleted » 24 Jan 2018, 5:12 pm

Thanks oldbloke. Hopefully you shot a few .243”s and research prices before buying.... how much do you shoot for cost to be an issue young buck? 243 is good at burning barrels aswell if you go do a lot of range shooting.
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Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jan 2018, 5:14 pm

Fair enough
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by sungazer » 24 Jan 2018, 5:16 pm

Getting a bit off track again. i was looking at once fired 223 cases and reloading them (which I will still do) but I found the Buffalo River 55 gameking for $50 box of 50 and the Blitzking 55gr for $55 for 50. I couldn't do it for that, and i get the used brass.
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Post by bladeracer » 24 Jan 2018, 6:15 pm

Wadogger wrote:Thanks oldbloke. Hopefully you shot a few .243”s and research prices before buying.... how much do you shoot for cost to be an issue young buck? 243 is good at burning barrels aswell if you go do a lot of range shooting.


If you back the loads down a bit from "full tilt" they should last a bit longer.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Member-Deleted » 24 Jan 2018, 6:29 pm

Might aswell shoot a 223 then.... :sarcasm:
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jan 2018, 8:26 pm

Wadogger wrote:Might aswell shoot a 223 then.... :sarcasm:


If he's looking at pigs then bullet weight is a factor.

A starting load in 243 will have more punch than a 223.
Will ease the recoil issue and be a fair bit cheaper
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 24 Jan 2018, 9:32 pm

All good gents. Looks like I'll be getting into reloading over the next couple of months.
Don't know for sure but I'm thinking I'll end up with a lighter cartridge that I'd use on bunnies and foxes and probably another, heavier one for targets that need more energy to put them down. Not too fussed about the higher recoil as I don't think I'll be shooting a lot of them in a short bursts. Not to mention the new recoil pad is much more forgiving.
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