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Looking for a levergun smith anywhere in Australia

Post by in2anity » 14 Aug 2018, 7:50 am

Hey fellas - I'm looking for an experienced levergun specialist anywhere in Australia to rectify a timing problem with a Marlin 1894CB. PM me if need be. Cheers, In2.
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Post by Wm.Traynor » 14 Aug 2018, 7:15 pm

No replies at this late hour. Well FWIW, I was very happy with Pine Rivers Gun and Locksmith. My Mossberg would not feed or fire but their man fixed it :D
Would not call him a specialist, however. He works on everything AFAIK.
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Post by in2anity » 14 Aug 2018, 8:16 pm

Wm.Traynor wrote:No replies at this late hour. Well FWIW, I was very happy with Pine Rivers Gun and Locksmith. My Mossberg would not feed or fire but their man fixed it :D
Would not call him a specialist, however. He works on everything AFAIK.

Thanks WM - actually someone else also recommended the same bloke so that’s two votes for him! Really appreciate the feedback mate cheers
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Post by straightshooter » 15 Aug 2018, 6:01 am

in2anity wrote:Hey fellas - I'm looking for an experienced levergun specialist anywhere in Australia to rectify a timing problem with a Marlin 1894CB. PM me if need be. Cheers, In2.

A brief description of your 'timing problem' might be helpful.
I have a little experience with 1894's in 44magnum.
I have learnt the hard way that many aspects of the operating mechanism are critically interrelated, meaning tinkering with one thing inevitably upsets it's relationship with something else.
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Post by in2anity » 15 Aug 2018, 10:02 am

straightshooter wrote:A brief description of your 'timing problem' might be helpful.
I have a little experience with 1894's in 44magnum.
I have learnt the hard way that many aspects of the operating mechanism are critically interrelated, meaning tinkering with one thing inevitably upsets it's relationship with something else.


Ok sure - sometimes it lets a second round in under the carrier during the upward stroke (when the carrier is top dead centre), jamming it up tight. It's almost as if the tongue isn't long enough to block the incoming round. I do not believe it is the classic "marlin jam" (where two are let in at the start of the upward stroke due to the carrier being too low). There is no sign of the burring on the underside of the carrier from impacting with the forward edge of the cam - it looks as though the forward edge of the cam has already been radiused. Any ideas?
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Post by pomemax » 15 Aug 2018, 12:35 pm

Sounds like someone has maybe tried to feed a round in with the breach open this will bend the carrier up just a fraction , are you confident enough to strip the gun down its fairly easy to do and look at the shape of the lifter is it straight or curved .
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Post by in2anity » 15 Aug 2018, 12:39 pm

pomemax wrote:Sounds like someone has maybe tried to feed a round in with the breach open this will bend the carrier up just a fraction , are you confident enough to strip the gun down its fairly easy to do and look at the shape of the lifter is it straight or curved .


Yeah I am - I'll strip it down ASAP and take a look. I'm starting to think it's the cartridge cutoff - I'm pretty sure this particular rifle is unusually based off the 39 action.
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Post by Daddybang » 15 Aug 2018, 1:20 pm

in2anity wrote:
pomemax wrote:Sounds like someone has maybe tried to feed a round in with the breach open this will bend the carrier up just a fraction , are you confident enough to strip the gun down its fairly easy to do and look at the shape of the lifter is it straight or curved .


Yeah I am - I'll strip it down ASAP and take a look. I'm starting to think it's the cartridge cutoff - I'm pretty sure this particular rifle is unusually based off the 39 action.


Very interested in seeing how ya go with this as the problem sounds similar to one I'm having with my 30/30 (94 ranger).
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Post by southwest shooter » 15 Aug 2018, 6:19 pm

Old man Mohammed in Peshawar , that bloke was the best gunsmith ever , first met him back in 83.
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 15 Aug 2018, 7:31 pm

Yep he's pretty good...I got him to make me an ak47 clone.... ware taking about getting a bmg50... but the ammo isn't cheap... next time I go back it will have to be an RPG.

Anyone know if it will be a cat A or cat B. Also I know I need to get an import permit for it
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Post by straightshooter » 16 Aug 2018, 7:41 am

in2anity wrote:Ok sure - sometimes it lets a second round in under the carrier during the upward stroke (when the carrier is top dead centre), jamming it up tight. It's almost as if the tongue isn't long enough to block the incoming round. I do not believe it is the classic "marlin jam" (where two are let in at the start of the upward stroke due to the carrier being too low). There is no sign of the burring on the underside of the carrier from impacting with the forward edge of the cam - it looks as though the forward edge of the cam has already been radiused. Any ideas?


The 'Marlin Jam' is what software companies like to call an 'undocumented feature' and can generally be brought on, in a susceptible rifle, by operating the lever slowly at just the right position in it's arc of travel.
I suspect it is due to tolerance build up of parts and the cost of and aversion to hand fitting of parts during production.
Provided the rifle hasn't already been meddled with the simple answer is to operate the lever decisively. If it has already been meddled with anything you try will probably make it worse. The lifter unit has multiple functions so trying to optimise one usually impairs another.
You may notice that later production 94's have a slight detent when the lever is moved from locked to encourage the operator to operate it briskly.
If that isn't a satisfactory solution then contact Raytrade and find out the contact details of their actual Marlin warranty gunsmith in your area.
NOT the dealer, the actual person that does the work.
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Post by in2anity » 16 Aug 2018, 9:48 am

straightshooter wrote:
in2anity wrote:Ok sure - sometimes it lets a second round in under the carrier during the upward stroke (when the carrier is top dead centre), jamming it up tight. It's almost as if the tongue isn't long enough to block the incoming round. I do not believe it is the classic "marlin jam" (where two are let in at the start of the upward stroke due to the carrier being too low). There is no sign of the burring on the underside of the carrier from impacting with the forward edge of the cam - it looks as though the forward edge of the cam has already been radiused. Any ideas?


The 'Marlin Jam' is what software companies like to call an 'undocumented feature' and can generally be brought on, in a susceptible rifle, by operating the lever slowly at just the right position in it's arc of travel.
I suspect it is due to tolerance build up of parts and the cost of and aversion to hand fitting of parts during production.
Provided the rifle hasn't already been meddled with the simple answer is to operate the lever decisively. If it has already been meddled with anything you try will probably make it worse. The lifter unit has multiple functions so trying to optimise one usually impairs another.
You may notice that later production 94's have a slight detent when the lever is moved from locked to encourage the operator to operate it briskly.
If that isn't a satisfactory solution then contact Raytrade and find out the contact details of their actual Marlin warranty gunsmith in your area.
NOT the dealer, the actual person that does the work.


Ok thanks for your opinion - I’ve been in touch with Marlin and Raytrade already - they do not make parts for this rifle anymore as it was a short run between 2005 and 2006, so I have to work with what I’ve got. With regard to Allen at Pine, sadly he no longer does gunsmithing, so that rules that out. I spoke to Robert Tobler and he seems willing to help. I will likely go and visit him in person. Looking at the internals there is a very real chance it has been tinkered with in the past - I’m hoping it’s not a side effect of an upward bent carrier which was previously made to fix the carrier down marlin jam.
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Post by pomemax » 16 Aug 2018, 10:08 am

I had one that used to jam on carrier lift when the loading Gate used to hang back a bit after loading turned out it was the screw that hold a spring came lose just half a turn
www.brownells.com/schematics/marlin-/336-sid774.aspx
part number 43 on this drawing
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Post by southwest shooter » 16 Aug 2018, 12:52 pm

Ziad wrote:Yep he's pretty good...I got him to make me an ak47 clone.... ware taking about getting a bmg50... but the ammo isn't cheap... next time I go back it will have to be an RPG.

Anyone know if it will be a cat A or cat B. Also I know I need to get an import permit for it

WTF
he'd sell you an AK for 50 usd .I believe you've never met this man and your lying to me .
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 17 Aug 2018, 8:49 am

Mate tell me you didn't pay in USD..... only tourists pay in foreign currency... lol but please be careful...as the are a hundred different ways to spell Mohammad don't goto the wrong gunsmith, as sile it may look good.. they barrel might not be straight

Anyway hopefully you will like this.
https://youtu.be/hYfna2VcepM
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Post by in2anity » 17 Aug 2018, 9:58 am

Ziad wrote:Anyway hopefully you will like this.
https://youtu.be/hYfna2VcepM

lmao - what the Indians colloquially refer to as "jugaad"
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 17 Aug 2018, 12:12 pm

Rotfl.... unles you from India or Pakistan..... knowledge of that word means you have spent too much time with them. All of which to a varying degree is not good
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Post by southwest shooter » 17 Aug 2018, 3:16 pm

Ziad wrote:Mate tell me you didn't pay in USD..... only tourists pay in foreign currency... lol but please be careful...as the are a hundred different ways to spell Mohammad don't goto the wrong gunsmith, as sile it may look good.. they barrel might not be straight

Anyway hopefully you will like this.
https://youtu.be/hYfna2VcepM

He only deals in USD .
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