Bedding my howa 1500. Original bedding was soft and tacky

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Bedding my howa 1500. Original bedding was soft and tacky

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 26 Nov 2018, 6:12 am

I purchased a bell and Carlson stock for my howa 308, on the weekend I attached it to the action and while doing that I noticed the compound used around the front screw is kind of soft and tacky. Is that normal?

Also, the barrel is not perfectly in the center of the stock. Still plenty of clearance both sides, but thats the kind of thing I'm going to look at every time I pick up the rifle. Would rebedding be the only way to correct this?
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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by Chronos » 26 Nov 2018, 6:18 am

Looks like the same stuff used in Weatherby vanguards. Comes out of a kind of hot glue gun and the action is bedded into it. If the action isn’t held straight it will set off Center

No, it should t be soft or tacky, is it new? If it’s used maybe it’s had some solvent on it that’s attacked the material

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Re: Is this bedding compound ment to be soft and tacky?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 26 Nov 2018, 6:26 am

Chronos wrote:
No, it should t be soft or tacky, is it new? If it’s used maybe it’s had some solvent on it that’s attacked the material

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Yeah I was wondering if maybe something had attacked it. I bought it from a store down nsw that had a weatherby action in it, so while it is new, it has been played with
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Post by Kelsey Cooter » 26 Nov 2018, 6:38 am

I pretty much always rub down all my metal with G96, so there would of been some residue on the action when i screwed it down, would this cause the problem?
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Post by bigrich » 26 Nov 2018, 7:58 am

I try to avoid G96, I like timber stocks and over time it eats it. Balistol is the stuff, developed by the Germans around the time of the First World War, it’s good for timber, leather and is a good antiseptic. Wouldn’t surprise me if G96 would be upsetting the new “hot glue “ method of bedding they are starting to use these days. Profit margins over quality these days
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Post by grandadbushy » 26 Nov 2018, 9:04 am

G'day Kelsey Cooter mate if it was me I would dig it out and do if again with Devcon or any of the other harder epoxies
Then you could possibly move the barrel to the center
Hope you get it sorted
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Post by bigrich » 26 Nov 2018, 9:09 am

grandadbushy wrote:G'day Kelsey Cooter mate if it was me I would dig it out and do if again with Devcon or any of the other harder epoxies
Then you could possibly move the barrel to the center
Hope you get it sorted


Yeah, what grandad said too ! :thumbsup:
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Post by pomemax » 26 Nov 2018, 10:47 am

Do you have a hot air blower like this https://www.bunnings.com.au/xu1-2000w-c ... n_p6290580
If its a hot glue you may be able to soften it up and when doing this any solvent will evaporated off ,work outs the center of the barrel in stock and reset it in center Find out how much gap you have and used brass shims to center it or bits of playing card
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Post by Mitch » 26 Nov 2018, 12:04 pm

Ive had a couple of these stocks, two on howa, and none have that crap? Definitely not like that from factory
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Post by Kelsey Cooter » 26 Nov 2018, 8:43 pm

I'm keen on rebedding, but haven't bedded an action before so got some learning to do, talked to a mate today who said he uses devcon also, is that what you blokes prefer? And what do you prefer to use as a release agent on the action?
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Post by grandadbushy » 26 Nov 2018, 9:49 pm

G'day cooter mate there are plenty of things you could use most of the shooters have a special liking to all different ones
I bought one from Brownells but didn't like it then a gunsmith put me onto good old- ''Johnson KIWI ,DUBBIN neutral white/clear boot polish
works splendid have done my last 3 rifles over two years and it performed well
Just wipe it on with a soft piece of rag be careful as it is clear and not easy to see where you've done so make sure you get it covered well
Be liberal with it don't wipe too thin or off , its the best I've found although there is plenty of very good stuff that I haven't tried
With the bedding prep listen to peoples advice or watch it on the net but take it slow do what is said and don't take corners also have everything on hand before
starting keep it clean and grease free mate we all started some where if you get a little bewildered then i'm sure people on here would be too happy to help you along
Best part about it is if you bugga it up get a dermal dig it out and try again
Happy bedding and good luck
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Post by Kelsey Cooter » 26 Nov 2018, 10:14 pm

:drinks: Cheers granddadbushy
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Post by grandadbushy » 26 Nov 2018, 10:47 pm

No worries hope it helps mate
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Post by Chronos » 27 Nov 2018, 8:01 am

Mitch wrote:Ive had a couple of these stocks, two on howa, and none have that crap? Definitely not like that from factory


That's probably because Weatherby advertise their stocks are all individually bedded and Howa don't

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Post by Kelsey Cooter » 27 Nov 2018, 9:40 pm

Tonight I had another look at the bedding compound, poked the screw driver into it, and it felt just like poking something sharp into glue out of a hot glue gun, so now I'm doubting that it has been affected by something since that is how you blokes have been describing it, seems like its intended to be soft?
Either way seems like its going to be easy to remove being so soft.

Would you bed the back of the action as well on this stock while I'm at it, or no need?
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Post by grandadbushy » 28 Nov 2018, 3:55 am

I would mate just take a little out from around the inside edgejust to the end of the silver bit under the back tang and put some epoxy in and
set then it will be nice and snug just like the front will be when finished
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Post by Kelsey Cooter » 28 Nov 2018, 8:27 am

Do I want the horizontal surface of the action behind the recoil lug to be pulled down hard against the alloy behind the recoil lug? I had a measure this morning, and the recoil lug is .350 lower then the action.

I measured the hogue stock that the rifle came with and it was spot on .350

So i measured down to the bedding compound on the B&C stock and it was actually .355
Once the soft bedding compound is removed the distance is .400

So when i bed that recoil lug will I just pull the action down onto the alloy behind the recoil lug or would i need to support the barrel so the action only pulls down onto the bedding compound when finished?

I hope that makes sense
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Post by grandadbushy » 28 Nov 2018, 12:26 pm

Yeah mate get it ready to epoxy then put in the epoxy after taping up so epoxy can't get on everything stock and all
place barrel into the stock put rear and front screws and just tighten lightly make sure the barrel is central
It will settle in place and firmly on the aluminium bases give 8 to 12 hrs or overnight then remove the barrel and clean it of any residue
I let the epoxy set for 1-2 days just to be certain all is good then put the barrel into place and set the screws to the tension required
then check the float in the barrel then alls good hopefully
Hope I've explained it enough for you
Remember put plenty of release product on anything you don't want to stick together or to
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